(January 18, 2013 at 9:39 am)Zen Badger Wrote: The logical conclusion is that it is only sin if humans do it, god gets a free pass to be a prick.Your judgment aside, yes, mainstream Christianity presents God as unable to sin by definition. Using the simplistic definition of omnipotence of the OP, God is not omnipotent. Therefore, when mainstream Christians say god is omnipotent, they apparently have a different, more nuanced definition of omnipotence in mind.
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The logical consequences of omnipotence
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  RE: The logical consequences of omnipotence
January 18, 2013 at 3:46 pm
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(January 18, 2013 at 9:39 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Since your god is guilty of just about every "sin" there is, jealousy, hatred, envy, etc,etc, yet is still perfect. Well, yeah. Sin =/= bad Sin = what god wants Pretty simple. Which is why it is laughable to call his "morality"objective. Yeah it's objective, it is always objectively his subjective whim. 
 (January 18, 2013 at 8:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: One that doesn't apply you jerk. This is another one of those situations where you're required to actually tell me why my definition doesn't apply, but yet again you've vastly overplayed the importance of your own opinion. You see, I don't actually care what you think, on its own. Your opinions, without anything to back them up, are just that: opinions. And since the strongest thing you've been able to do is resort to name calling... I'm not particularly compelled to give them credence. Once again, I am not the one attributing omnipotence to your god, Christians are. Pointing out the logical inconsistencies such a god would have is not the same as making a positive claim. The claim is someone else's, I am merely showing you why it doesn't work. If we are to use your (oversimplified, exaggerated) version of what a claim is, then where is your proof that my claim requires proof to be effective? Because if you can't provide any, then I find your claim about my "claim" to be as weak as the weakest Christian apologetics... Quote:Your judgment aside, yes, mainstream Christianity presents God as unable to sin by definition. Using the simplistic definition of omnipotence of the OP, God is not omnipotent. Therefore, when mainstream Christians say god is omnipotent, they apparently have a different, more nuanced definition of omnipotence in mind. I guess that depends on whether you count the action as a sin or not. Because evidently, god can commit sinful actions with impunity, it's just that he insists they aren't sinful and you guys believe him. So either god is lying to a credulous audience about that, or he's omnipotent to the point where he can change the definition of sin for his own actions. Either way is fine, though I'd personally go with the former, since to me at least, murder is an evil act regardless of whether or not god is cool with it. You can call my definition of omnipotence literal and maybe you'd have a case, but it's only simplistic by dint of being a simple word. To be omnipotent means to have unlimited power.
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Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!  (January 18, 2013 at 11:51 am)John V Wrote:(January 18, 2013 at 9:39 am)Zen Badger Wrote: The logical conclusion is that it is only sin if humans do it, god gets a free pass to be a prick.Your judgment aside, yes, mainstream Christianity presents God as unable to sin by definition. Using the simplistic definition of omnipotence of the OP, God is not omnipotent. Therefore, when mainstream Christians say god is omnipotent, they apparently have a different, more nuanced definition of omnipotence in mind. I've come up with a workable definition of omnipotence. God can do whatever he likes. Genocide, infanticide, fuck donkeys, anything... It doesn't matter, because christians will still think he is a wonderful caring god. It is a telling thing that when humans act in a similar way they are rightfully condemned as monsters. ![[Image: mybannerglitter06eee094.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo112%2Fpussinboots_photos%2FBikes%2Fmybannerglitter06eee094.gif) If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.   (January 18, 2013 at 10:09 pm)Zen Badger Wrote:Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. I've committed genocide - wiped out an entire colony of ants. No one called me a monster, and my wife actually thanked me. Veal is a yummy form of infanticide served at many restaurants.(January 18, 2013 at 11:51 am)John V Wrote: Your judgment aside, yes, mainstream Christianity presents God as unable to sin by definition. Using the simplistic definition of omnipotence of the OP, God is not omnipotent. Therefore, when mainstream Christians say god is omnipotent, they apparently have a different, more nuanced definition of omnipotence in mind. (January 19, 2013 at 9:21 am)John V Wrote:(January 18, 2013 at 10:09 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: I've come up with a workable definition of omnipotence.Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. I've committed genocide - wiped out an entire colony of ants. No one called me a monster, and my wife actually thanked me. Veal is a yummy form of infanticide served at many restaurants. You left out donkey fucking. If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71. RE: The logical consequences of omnipotence
January 19, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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(January 19, 2013 at 9:21 am)John V Wrote: Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. I've committed genocide - wiped out an entire colony of ants. No one called me a monster, and my wife actually thanked me. Veal is a yummy form of infanticide served at many restaurants. Nobody calls you a god or insists that you are all-powerful, either. Nobody claims that you set the objective standard for righteousness and that human morality is determined by what you, personally, consider to be right and wrong. You're just another flawed and fallible mammal like the rest of us. You should not be held to a higher standard because nobody claims that you're totally perfect and created the entire universe. Which, if you haven't guessed yet, is kinda the point here.  
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