What the hell is "hell"? why do humans go to hell ?

[Christian]

This.......doesn't make any sense !!! the fire will not be quenched ! jesus told us that ..I'm confused.

Mister Sir AtlasS
The fire is not the "fire" you assume it is. Its rather the inner fire of self-change, renewal and blessing.

[Ryantology]

Again, if your book is that badly mistranslated and/or misinterpreted, the whole thing is certainly worthless.

[Christian]

Again, if your book is that badly mistranslated and/or misinterpreted, the whole thing is certainly worthless.

Mister Sir Ryantology. Its not the issue about the Good Book, but the people who mis-translate it.

[Surtr]

Mister Sir Ryantology. Its not the issue about the Good Book, but the people who mis-translate it.

How do you know any of the good parts of the bible were in the original? How do you know that they weren't added later?

[Christian]

Mister Sir Ryantology. Its not the issue about the Good Book, but the people who mis-translate it.

How do you know any of the good parts of the bible were in the original? How do you know that they weren't added later?

Mister Sir Surtr, the perfect harmony of all the verses in the Bible indicate that nothing was added to removed.

[Surtr]

Mister Sir Surtr, the perfect harmony of all the verses in the Bible indicate that nothing was added to removed.

The perfect harmony? You ought to look up 'biblical contradictions'. Even if the bible had "perfect harmony", it wouldn't prove that it wasn't edited.

[Cyberman]

Apologies for throwing this thread into reverse for a moment, I failed to give this post the proper consideration and I really want to address it before we go much further. I allowed myself to become misled by the lack of proper quoting, which I will fix for this purpose, thus I only responded to the last part.

Well, it was you who opened on a broad note, channeling "many religious people (if not even all)". I offered the official xtian perspective.

and, do you think that perspective is just, or totally unfair ? you missed my whole point. The explanations of hell are always related to a big prison filled with fire. It's not like that, it's not a mere whole of torture in a dictatorial way. now, read that part in my topic again to get what I'm saying.

As I alluded to in my post to which you responded, I think such a concept, however it is imagined, is the very definition of unfair. A chosen minority, in some definitions predetermined, gets the golden prize of eternal paradise while the overwhelming majority of humans who ever lived and who ever will live are condemned, or at least excluded even from consideration, merely on the basis of who believes and who doesn't? How can that not be unfair?

Let me put it another way. If I were to call someone a worthless, subhuman piece of scum who should crawl away somewhere and die, I'd rightly be considered an arsehole at the very least. However, if I were to tell that person that I think they deserve to go to Hell, what then? My opinion of them in both cases would be the same, to all intents and purposes.

I count at least five egregious errors in those two sentences alone.

of course.. and then you give me another perspective of evolution. Just a common atheist overlap to show that your opposing person is ignorant or stupid. In the end it will only conclude what I just said.

Actually that was the point at which I stopped typing. I don't know what you may think you read between my post and yours but I promise you it wasn't from me. Remember when I asked you to quit building strawmen? This is the sort of thing I had in mind.

In any case, I never even mentioned evolution up to this point; not least because I can differentiate between the actual scientific disciplines involved, as well as having a basic yet workable understanding of what they mean.

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Okay, thread derail over. Until we meet again.

[Minimalist]

Your bible describes it in loving detail in several different books. Is it wrong?

Mister Sir Ryantology, as I mentioned before, its been mistranslated and misinterpreted. There is no hell, no place for toture and torment for eternity. Its been wrongly preached.

You remind me of an old joke.

A guy sits down at a poker table and the dealer announces what the rules are for the next hand. They are so bizarre that the guy cringes.
The dealer says "Dealer's choice, you know?" The guy says "oh, yeah...I understand and it actually sounds like an interesting game. I just want to know why you call it "poker?"

So, xtian. What's the name of your new religion because you sure don't know anything about the one your profess?

[Ryantology]

Again, if your book is that badly mistranslated and/or misinterpreted, the whole thing is certainly worthless.

Mister Sir Ryantology. Its not the issue about the Good Book, but the people who mis-translate it.

These stories were passed down by word of mouth decades or centuries before they were ever first committed to writing. Are you familiar with the game 'Telephone'? The Bible is a Telephone game which has gone on for millennia. There is no chance that any modern text is anywhere close to the same as it started. Mistranslations and misinterpretations abound (as if there was any way to determine which interpretation is accurate to begin with).

tl;dr: the entire Bible is worthless garbage.

[Kayenneh]

Gehenna has been mistranslated to mean hell in Versions of the Bible which support the doctrine of hell.

Mister Sir Poe, I agree that Gehenna sounds like such a lovely place!


/sarcasm