Earth - Proof of God?

[Cyberman]

Probably you don't know my Pastor. He is a man of righteous. He will never lie. He loves us and we love him back.

Doesn't matter if your pasta would lie or not. What count are the claims and the evidence for them, not the authority and integrity of the person making them. Why is this so hard to grasp?

[Gilgamesh]

Wow, you're right, that is proof of god.

PRAISE ODIN.

[Jackalope]

Probably you don't know my Pastor. He is a man of righteous. He will never lie. He loves us and we love him back.

Let's look at your OP again:

Out of hundreds of planets in the universe, why is the earth only one supporting life? Because someone made it that way. We have explored the whole universe and only the earth supports life. That is evidence enough for something higher than all of us.

There are several falsehoods, unsupported assertions, and misleading "facts" in that short statement, as has already been explained to you. If your pastor knows even one to be false, he is a liar. If he does not, he's ignorant. The third remaining option is that you're misrepresenting what he said. Which is it?

Note that even if he got all of his facts straight, it still would not prove his point as he hasn't exhausted all of the alternate possibilities.

[catfish]

You guys are debating a Poe who likes Po, just sayin...

[Cyberman]

It's our way of keeping in shape while we wait for a more worthy opponent to show up.

[Jackalope]

You guys are debating a Poe who likes Po, just sayin...

Unless Forsaken has been pulling a fast one on us for a very long time, it's pretty unlikely that Christian is a Poe (Forsaken claims they are roommates, and I have verified that they post from the same IP).

Which, I would have to admit, would be a pretty epic Poe job.

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It's our way of keeping in shape while we wait for a more worthy opponent to show up.

We like picking the low-hanging fruit.

[Drich]

You just demonstrated that you get what I'm saying. To borrow your analogy, the claim that you have a son can be proven by producing him (although we could then go into the whole area of how do you prove that he actually is your son, but that goes beyond the scope of the analogy). Were you to state that you have a son and that his existence is the proof of the claim, without presenting this proof, we would be in exactly the same situation as with the statement "God is proof of God".

In other words, can you present this God as you might your son?

You are confused as to who makes this claim. you are approaching me and appearently other christians to prove something we have no claim to. Our sole responsiablity to to point to where we found the proof we need to establish and maintain our relationships.

Remember God makes that claim. The responsiablity to proove what He has claimed is on Him.

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God is proof of God.

I would agree with you that the physical presence of a god that was testable by science would indeed constitute proof of god. however as no proof of god exists I must conclude that neither does god.

First though you must thoroughly define god which no one has ever managed to pull off.

In order for you to come to this conclusion one must assume that the knoweledge of science is complete. In that nothing can exist outside the realm science currently presides over.

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We've barely explored the galaxy with our telescopes.
No wait, scratch that. We've barely explored our own solar system with our probes.
No wait, scratch that. We've barely explored our own planet with ourselves.

Only someone very uninformed about the state of science and exploration could make the idiotic statements you made in your OP.

I may have to quote you here.

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...and what about all the people (myself included) who did ask, and for whom God did not show up?

Did you Ask, Seek and Knock (A/S/K) as out lined in luke 11?

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God is proof of God. We do not need anything else. After all what better proof is there of your existance than you? If you want real proof A/S/K for it, and we are told that whatever obstical we need moved, God will move.

And unicorns prove unicorns drich. All you're doing is assuming god exist. That's not proof. And what about amputees that pray for limbs? Or mental handicaps that pray to be relieved of their handicap? And i can prove i exist by evidence. There is no evidence for god. Let alone the god of you religion. Like christopher hitchens said "you have all your work still ahead of you".

We've barely explored the galaxy with our telescopes.
No wait, scratch that. We've barely explored our own solar system with our probes.
No wait, scratch that. We've barely explored our own planet with ourselves.

Only someone very uninformed about the state of science and exploration could make the idiotic statements you made in your OP.

-Tiberius

[Cyberman]

You are confused as to who makes this claim. you are approaching me and appearently other christians to prove something we have no claim to. Our sole responsiablity to to point to where we found the proof we need to establish and maintain our relationships.

Remember God makes that claim. The responsiablity to proove what He has claimed is on Him.

I'm not approaching anybody. You were the one who said "God is proof of God" and nobody asked you to do so; I certainly didn't, so please don't try that one on me, there's a good chap. In order to be able to say that God is the one making the claim (that God exists? Or something else?) you have to be claiming that it exists in the first place. Unless and until this God shows up and says the words you put into its mouth, the burden of backing up that claim is still on you.

[Drich]

I'm not approaching anybody. You were the one who said "God is proof of God" and nobody asked you to do so; I certainly didn't, so please don't try that one on me, there's a good chap. In order to be able to say that God is the one making the claim (that God exists? Or something else?) you have to be claiming that it exists in the first place.

Please don't try that one one me. Now Dats a good boi. Didn't you quote me at the beginning of this post say "God is the proof of God?" How can I do both? (Claim God is proof of God and then Claim God exists? My quote points to God for confirmation) At best I can only Confirm what God has claimed. The Claim is not mine to make. Mine is to only verify the proof offered to me.

Unless and until this God shows up and says the words you put into its mouth, the burden of backing up that claim is still on you.

-or- I can just spin down your good ole fashion english "logic" with some basic common sense.

[Cyberman]

Now you're just trying to be offensive. Evasion noted.