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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 5:49 pm
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(March 8, 2013 at 3:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (March 7, 2013 at 11:28 pm)Drich Wrote: We have pride because we are still of our sin natures. We have "good self esteem" because our self worth is not tied to a morality/self righteousness that demands we do pretend to be better than what we are.
In other words we have found contentment and peace even though we know we are fundmentally flawed.
No, you have pride because of of social structure and evolution. The placebo of believing the sun was a god served the Egyptians well for 3,000 years. I am sure they were as proud of their culture and monuments to myth as you are now to yours.
Oh great Abba fan, tell me how does this differ in any way from what I orginally said?
(March 8, 2013 at 3:47 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Pride is both a "thought crime" and actually rather a helpful emotion. Taking pride in ones work is a good thing surely?
different kind of pride
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 6:12 pm
(March 8, 2013 at 11:14 am)John V Wrote: Sure is, that's why people reject free salvation - you have to admit you're in need of salvation.
Christianity: convincing yourself that you're a piece of shit who needs to be saved from being a piece of shit by constantly praising the piece of shit deity who intentionally created a piece of shit and turned it into you and who will send you to a shitty place forever for being that piece of shit unless you are very sorry for being a piece of shit.
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Christianity: honestly assessing yourself and recognizing that you're a piece of shit who needs to be saved from being a piece of shit by accepting the free gift of a just and holy, yet compassionate and forgiving deity who is longsuffering, enduring shit from pieces of shit like us until he saves all that he wants and calls an end to it all, and finally giving ungratefule pieces of shit like you what you deserve.
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 6:33 pm
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As John has helpfully illustrated, Christianity: the spiritual equivalent of being the rape victim who is convinced she deserved it.
By the way, how Christian of you to gleefully anticipate what will happen to the 'ungrateful'. You do your petty fucker of a god proud.
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm
(March 8, 2013 at 6:33 pm)Ryantology Wrote: As John has helpfully illustrated, Christianity: the spiritual equivalent of being the rape victim who is convinced she deserved it. No, it's being the justly condemned prisoner pardoned by the king.
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm
(March 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm)John V Wrote: (March 8, 2013 at 6:33 pm)Ryantology Wrote: As John has helpfully illustrated, Christianity: the spiritual equivalent of being the rape victim who is convinced she deserved it. No, it's being the justly condemned prisoner pardoned by the king.
Look at me, John. No, not at my feet, up here, in the eyes. I know you didn't just stumble into the kitchen cabinet again. Tell me the truth, is God hitting you?
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 6:58 pm
(March 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (March 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm)John V Wrote: No, it's being the justly condemned prisoner pardoned by the king.
Look at me, John. No, not at my feet, up here, in the eyes. I know you didn't just stumble into the kitchen cabinet again. Tell me the truth, is God hitting you? It's interesting how desparately you need to believe that God is unfair.
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Quote:Indeed it is.. However others think our condemnation resides in our own ablity to not sin, that we somehow are condemned by, and held accountable to our own actions.
I don't blame you for wanting to run away from that shit as fast as you can. Pretty much the most sensible thing you have ever said.
Except.... it leaves you out of touch with your fellow dolts.
Quote:original sin, in Christian doctrine, the condition or state of sin into which each human being is born; also, the origin (i.e., the cause, or source) of this state. Traditionally, the origin has been ascribed to the sin of the first man, Adam, who disobeyed God in eating the forbidden fruit (of knowledge of good and evil) and, in consequence, transmitted his sin and guilt by heredity to his descendants.
Quote:The doctrine is the prerequisite for the Christian understanding of the meaning of Jesus’ crucifixion and atonement. Despite its importance for understanding Jesus’ sacrifice, the doctrine of original sin has been minimized since the European Enlightenment.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topi...iginal-sin
If you dispute the Adam and Eve bullshit story then who needs your jesus crap? You really need to make up your mind here.
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 7:15 pm
(March 7, 2013 at 6:31 am)MysticKnight Wrote: OK...some Christians believe we are all so bad that we deserve hell, and those who are saved are saved by grace, but they are still so bad they deserve God's wrath.
Now I dunno - I hate the idea of thinking of myself as a bad/sinful person. Why do many Christians have pride and good self-esteem?
This kind of implies their nature rejects the doctrine.
(corrected above by me) (Hell's not real lol)
"Original sin" is bullshit as an innocent person cannot sin. Adam and Eve's first sin was shame... (your interpretation may vary)
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RE: Pride and Sin....
March 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm
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(March 8, 2013 at 6:58 pm)John V Wrote: (March 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Look at me, John. No, not at my feet, up here, in the eyes. I know you didn't just stumble into the kitchen cabinet again. Tell me the truth, is God hitting you? It's interesting how desparately you need to believe that God is unfair.
It is interesting how far you must twist the very definition of fairness so that you can make yourself believe that he is anything but unfair.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Arbitrary rule is fairness.
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