Nudity vs. Clothing

[Rhizomorph13]

Sae,

I know a few people who would be very happy to find the place you describe! In the bible the Jews were searching for the land of milk and honey (Which coincidently is ALSO the land of cow shit and bees!) but the new Zion is filled with the naked and the gay!

Rhizo

[littlegrimlin1]

Haha, nice Sae.

I see what you did thar! lol

Just let gays be, they can't reproduce very effectively to my knowledge. But, they can breast feed ;\\\ kjavoeihaoerj. Wierd thought.

[A Theist]

Alright, so... Nudity.
I'm not going to post naked pictures of people or statues, but I would like to discuss this...

What's your view on public nudity?

Is it artistic? Is it grotesque? Is it just... weird?
What do you think?

Personally, I think nakedness is artistic. :S While clothes are useful, since they provide...
• Warmth (insulation)
• The feeling of making us look skinnier (or fatter, depending if you want to be fat or thin)
• A way to express who we are (i.e. goths may wear blacks, preps may wear brights)
• Laughter and Happiness (illustrations on shirts)
• Art (designs)

But overall, I don't see the big deal of walking around naked on a hot summer's day... What do you think?

:/

Depends on how they look, and plenty of sunscreen.

[leo-rcc]

People are generally bothered if people are naked, therefore naked people should move to a special place.

People are generally bothered if people are gay, therefore gay people should move to a special place.

See what I did thar?

I didn't at first but I do now, and if gay people would bum each other of muff dive each other in the street they'd be arrested just as much as when they would walk naked in the street.

A nudist walking in clothes in public is still a nudist.
A gay person not performing gay activities in public is still a gay person.

I would be arrested just as soon as I would perform heterosexual activities in public as well.

[Violet]

So I should be arrested for wearing clothing you find offensive? Or that you are offended by my default? I suppose we should arrest all of those atheists for offending the majority population?

I'm not sure what to think about the sex in public point... I concur, but I think I concur because I consider sex to be between two people... however I'm really not sure what to think... : / My mind is full of too many things right now

[Overmars]

I've just been on a lovely holiday to Croatia and saw way too many nudist on the islands. I was left mentally unstable after witnessing a hairy 80+ nudist, severely obese and lobster red, bending over to pick up his beer...

Thank you for the "pleasant" mental image.

[Edwardo Piet]

@ Sae

Sae - many people would really freak out or scream or be highly embarrassed or whatever, if they saw a streaker. That is not the cause with certain types of clothing that someone personally "finds offensive".

Nor is it the case with your example above with gay people...

Furthermore, the very important point that I need to make about that analogy with gay people is: Gay people are who they are because of their nature... that is not the case however with someone streaking. They don't have to streak. Homosexuality is about who you are, whereas streaking is a behaviour that would bother a lot of people and does not need to be done. It's not the same at all. Sexuality is a matter of identity - choosing to streak is something that can be restrained, and choosing not to do it is not oppression. As Leo said, homosexuality obviously doesn't have to be done in the streets in front of everyone, but streaking by definition does have to be in public.

EvF

[Violet]

Sae - many people would really freak out or scream or be highly embarrassed or whatever, if they saw a streaker. That is not the cause with certain types of clothing that someone personally "finds offensive".

Nor is it the case with your example above with gay people...

Furthermore, the very important point that I need to make about that analogy with gay people is: Gay people are who they are because of their nature... that is not the case however with someone streaking. They don't have to streak. Homosexuality is about who you are, whereas streaking is a behaviour that would bother a lot of people and does not need to be done. It's not the same at all. Sexuality is a matter of identity - choosing to streak is something that can be restrained, and choosing not to do it is not oppression. As Leo said, homosexuality obviously doesn't have to be done in the streets in front of everyone, but streaking by definition does have to be in public.

We are all naked by our nature. Unless you are trying to convince me that babies are born in clothes?

How I look is a huge matter of my identity... and clothing alters how I look. How we are seen by others... and more importantly ourselves... matters just as much to us as who we are sexually interested in. It is all a part of who we are... what we think of ourselves.... and what others think of us. It is exactly the same... people can choose to restrain their sexuality (it is done all the time), just as people can choose how they wish to appear publicly in all sorts of other ways.

Being naked in public is no more disgusting or wrong than wearing a trenchcoat in public is. You say that many people would freak out if they saw a streaker... but people freak out to costumes all the time as well... or have you never heard of a haunted house or of zombie movies (or the like)? I am offended by the Burka... how can I consider nudity to be more offensive than that?

If people are offended by nudity, then that's fine. I'm offended that they are offended, and that's fine. People can be offended, but who has to give a rat's left ankle that they are? If we don't do things simply because people are offended by them... then what about homosexuality, abortion, eating cheese, playing video games, sex, and eating frozen waffles? Everything offends somebody... and being offended is no good reason to make a law about anything at all.

[Edwardo Piet]

I am in no way saying that being naked in public is "wrong".

I am merely saying that 1. A lot of people don't like it. 2. This country is democracy. 3. Go figure.

I personally think that being "offended" is the crappiest excuse ever. It completely lacks argument and is no way to defend your position. As Stephen Fry has said "So you're offended. So fucking what?".

But, all I'm saying, is that since majority rules in democracy, and since we live in a democracy, and since the majority don't like people being naked in public, then that's what's going to happen. By what logic do we make it an exception to the ways of democracy, when we live in a democracy?

And if we ignore the democracy and "offense" part, then by what reasoning should we change anything anyway? If we indeed think "So what if people are offended by nudity?", then why don't we also think "So what if you, Sae (and others who think like you), are offended by those who are offended by nudity?", in which case... by what reasoning should we change the way things are, and go against democracy?

And also, even if it was agreed upon by the majority: It's certainly a big change to make, and may not be something to just be rushed into, lol (especially naked, lol ).

EvF

[Violet]

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I am in no way saying that being naked in public is "wrong".

I am merely saying that 1. A lot of people don't like it. 2. This country is democracy. 3. Go figure.

I personally think that being "offended" is the crappiest excuse ever. It completely lacks argument and is no way to defend your position. As Stephen Fry has said "So you're offended. So fucking what?".

But, all I'm saying, is that since majority rules in democracy, and since we live in a democracy, and since the majority don't like people being naked in public, then that's what's going to happen. By what logic do we make it an exception to the ways of democracy, when we live in a democracy?

And if we ignore the democracy and "offense" part, then by what reasoning should we change anything anyway? If we indeed think "So what if people are offended by nudity?", then why don't we also think "So what if you, Sae (and others who think like you), are offended by those who are offended by nudity?", in which case... by what reasoning should we change the way things are, and go against democracy?

And also, even if it was agreed upon by the majority: It's certainly a big change to make, and may not be something to just be rushed into, lol (especially naked, lol ).

EvF

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Majority does not rule in democracy... the side with the best presented arguments wins in democracy (If you try debate that point, might I draw your mind to racial slavery and woman rights laws in the history of the USA?).

So we live in a democracy. The majority of the people think that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry. Should they be barred from marriage just because most of the morons think so?

Is a blasphemy law logical? Of course not. Making a law simply because someone is offended is a type of blasphemy law.

Edit: Actually, correction to this point. We live in a republic (in america)... though one might actually declare it Oligarchy. We are actually very lucky to not be a democracy.