Are depressed people more realistic?

[Mystic]

Rhythm. To a Muslim, Islam seems true. To a Christian, Christianity seems true. The only way out of delusions, is to constantly re-investigate your beliefs.

Before the cosmological argument to me seemed solid. Now it doesn't. We often reason wrong. I want people to try to prove me wrong, it doesn't mean I don't often have hopes I am right.

But in the case of morality, I honestly hope someone can prove naturalism can account for objective morality and do hope nihilist and Theists who argue from morality, are wrong. I hope objective morality doesn't need supernatural.

[Silver]

The only way out of delusions, is to constantly re-investigate your beliefs.

This raises a good question. Some believers claim that they have had their doubts, and in the end those doubts only made their faith even stronger.

Did they really have doubts, or were they just so immersed in the land of illogical thought processes that they never truly doubted anything?

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps making piece with the notion of a world that lacks objective morality would help you to be more at ease? I hope objective morality doesn't need the supernatural as well, because if it does...we won't ever discover whatever objective morality may be..lol.

Depending upon others to bring you piece of mind by "proving you wrong" might be a counterproductive angle if you're looking to find peace. Especially considering that you can argue against your own propositions better than most - you know all the things left unsaid in them. To bring this round and avoid a derail, would you consider your position on these things an expression of optimism, pessimism, are you just being realistic? Would you be depressed if what was "realistic" didn't conform to what you hoped? I mean depressed, not upset or a little disappointed, depressed?

[Mystic]

I don't know how I would react. In the past, when it seemed to be a Creator didn't exist, I did become severely depressed and preoccupied with my thought, because it also seemed like praise, morality, and value, was a delusion, and I had to significantly increase my medications (to highest dose possible actually).

But I've been preparing to act upon sheer love of beauty if nihilism is proven true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so even if something is not objectively beautiful, if I find it more beautiful to act a certain way, I can do it out of sheer love what seems beautiful. It seems beautiful to me, to be nice to others, so I will be. It's beautiful in my eyes so I will act according to that. Whether there is good and evil or not, is irrelevant, to this motive. It doesn't mean it's valuable. It doesn't mean it's worthy. Doesn't it mean it's good. It simply is a preference I will have.

This is what I've been preparing myself for, if I ever become a nihilist.

Pray to Jesus for me

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you think that this might be an expression of how optimism has a causal or correlative relationship with happiness, or how "being realistic" might have a causal or correlative relationship with depression - in your experience?

To put it another way. When it seemed that there was no creator, did you feel that you were being "more realistic" (in that moment) than you were when it seemed to you that there was?

[Angrboda]

Whether or not you can handle something, and wether or not that something is accurate are entirely different things Mystic.
But meh, as Apo was saying awhile back, if the goal is subjective pleasure then it would hardly matter. Keep your ghosts and goblins if it keeps you from blowing your damned head off......

In the meantime, hoping that others would take the time to prove to you that there can be hope without magic might just be approaching the endeavor ass backwards.
(all evidence shows that naturalism implies nihilism?....whew boy...)

Well I am going to go back to reading those three books on moral psychology. Then read more books. But then I'm going to consult naturalists that are experts in the subject. I am hoping someone can prove to me that I am wrong so far, and so that, I can be at peace, while agnostic.

I came across this while preparing my reading schedule. Thought you might find it interesting. (John Dewey's Ethics)

[Mystic]

Do you think that this might be an expression of how optimism has a causal or correlative relationship with happiness, or how "being realistic" might have a causal or correlative relationship with depression - in your experience?

To put it another way. When you thought that there was no creator, did you feel that you were being "more realistic" (in that moment) than you were when you thought there was?

Well when I believe in a Creator, it seems realistic. And when I don't, it seems realistic. I would not believe either way, if it didn't seem that way to me at that moment.

But to be honest, I think I have disadvantage, in that, I don't know how everyone perceives things, by my own experience. I have schizophrenia therefore I am prone to delusions.

One thing I feel is that small existence cannot exist independently and neither can infinite or large amount of small existences (adding up). I feel that it needs to be sustained and caused continuously. That not even the Creator can bestow independent existence to it, as it's virtually impossible.

To see if it's a delusion that is unique to me, I asked people of various faiths (Theist) on forums if any of them share that view. It seemed some did and no one said they didn't.

You have to understand at point it seemed like I was witnessing dead human spirits from the past in a spiritual dimension and I was there while in my room or in the Car.

So I really don't know if how I perceive myself (constantly seems like I am a soul) is like how others perceive themselves or I am constantly experiencing something abnormal.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well when I believe in a Creator, it seems realistic. And when I don't, it seems realistic. I would not believe either way, if it didn't seem that way to me at that moment.

Well, that might put the coals to the notion that being "more realistic" is somehow tied to depression. You were being realistic in both occassion, entirely different propositions, yet one seems to have made you happier than the other.

But to be honest, I think I have disadvantage, in that, I don't know how everyone perceives things, by my own experience. I have schizophrenia therefore I am prone to delusions.

We're all in that boat amigo. My red/your red.

One thing I feel is that small existence cannot exist independently and neither can infinite or large amount of small existences (adding up). I feel that it needs to be sustained and caused continuously. That not even the Creator can bestow independent existence to it, as it's virtually impossible.

To see if it's a delusion that is unique to me, I asked people of various faiths (Theist) on forums if any of them share that view. It seemed some did and no one said they didn't.

You have to understand at point it seemed like I was witnessing dead human spirits from the past in a spiritual dimension and I was there while in my room or in the Car.

So I really don't know if how I perceive myself (constantly seems like I am a soul) is like how others perceive themselves or I am constantly experiencing something abnormal.

Your experiences would make a hell of a thread.

[Shell B]

Trouble with history, is there's entirely too much of that shit floating around.

Interesting statement, given that history is an inherently limited thing.

[Mystic]

It's awesome being human. The ability to reason, the ability to question, the interactions with others, the emotions, happy or sad, it's wonderful.