A Show of Gay Pride

[Psykhronic]

Fine, be that way

Yeah, I have supercharged heterosexual fantasies and when I think about fucking girls I do not get turned on at all - but I do not get repulsed either so what the fuck, might as well try it someday.

[John V]

I definitely think Rhythm's point needs addressing.

Regarding him personally, he seems somewhat obsessed with cock. I don't believe him at all.

In general, consider sexuality across cultures and time. It's fairly variable. Our current western paradigm is fairly new.

For instance, there was a time in Greece when it was normal for a teenage male to take a receptive sexual role with an older male. Upon becoming an adult, it was considered wrong to take the receptive role, but OK to take the penetrative role with men or women. They didn't even look at it as male/female, but rather penetrative/receptive.

Does it make more sense to think that these people had a difference in genome which produced this pattern at birth, or that people naturally fall somewhere on a scale of bisexuality and culture has a lot to do with how it's expressed?

And does a person need to have sex with the opposite sex to be gay or is the desire alone enough to warrant the label?

Again, I'm arguing against such labeling.

[The Grand Nudger]

So the validity of your bi continuum- the paradigm you subscribe to- actually depends, chiefly, on me (and my wife) lying to ourselves, each other - and for some hilariously odd reason...to you?

That's left the territory of shaky and entered lulz.

[John V]

Fine, be that way

Yeah, I have supercharged heterosexual fantasies and when I think about fucking girls I do not get turned on at all - but I do not get repulsed either so what the fuck, might as well try it someday.

What do you think will happen if you try it and it's the best sex you ever had? Is it possible that such experience might change the effects of your fantasies somewhat?

[Tonus]

I definitely think Rhythm's point needs addressing.

Is that a euphemism for "he needs to get laid?"

[catfish]

And does a person need to have sex with the opposite sex to be gay or is the desire alone enough to warrant the label?

Again, I'm arguing against such labeling.

Why? Is it easier to deal with your own fantasies if you convince yourself everyone has them?
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[Psykhronic]

I definitely think Rhythm's point needs addressing.

Regarding him personally, he seems somewhat obsessed with cock. I don't believe him at all.

In general, consider sexuality across cultures and time. It's fairly variable. Our current western paradigm is fairly new.

For instance, there was a time in Greece when it was normal for a teenage male to take a receptive sexual role with an older male. Upon becoming an adult, it was considered wrong to take the receptive role, but OK to take the penetrative role with men or women. They didn't even look at it as male/female, but rather penetrative/receptive.

Does it make more sense to think that these people had a difference in genome which produced this pattern at birth, or that people naturally fall somewhere on a scale of bisexuality and culture has a lot to do with how it's expressed?

And does a person need to have sex with the opposite sex to be gay or is the desire alone enough to warrant the label?

Again, I'm arguing against such labeling.

I'm aware of those sorts of relationships in Greece's history. I am not well versed in that culture and I wouldn't want to delve into biological/psychological/etc speculations at the moment. But you have not shown that everyone is bisexual. Of course it is not as clean cut as everyone is either straight or gay and history shows that. But what makes you think everyone is bisexual? How can everyone have the same sexuality?

As for the part about "labeling", I was responding directly to catfish - I know you do not like those terms.

[Fruity]

wwwwwwwoaa! One day with upside down AF, I come back and I have no clue how far back I have to read to get back on track.

So, let's see. I say that being non-straight is not a decision, but rather something that you discover about yourself, sort of like tasting something and finding out you like it. Somebody at a given time says something about acquired taste. So... someone out there thinks you can suck on dick (hating it at first), but if you keep on doing it you'll eventually like it? Dunno... but if it works for you, meh! By this is the point intended that if you try to not like it (being that the start off point is you do like it) you will eventually not? I don't get it.

I mean... I don't like horse balls. I hardly think I'll end up liking it if I try over and over again. I'll throw up on the first try.

I don't think it's impossible that your orientation discovers a new route all of a sudden, on its own (meaning not trying real hard to acquire the taste). It's not usual, but could happen. I didn't like to dress girly back in the day. Now I love it. Perhaps it could happen with sex... I don't know for sure. Just putting it out there.

Question: Is sexual orientation defined only by sex desires, or should feelings count? I mean... I've read all these posts about fantasies, thoughts, etc. To me, though, it's about being able to fall in love with either gender.

...and I still think rainbow eyes shadows would be great for the gay pride day!

[John V]

I'm aware of those sorts of relationships in Greece's history. I am not well versed in that culture and I wouldn't want to delve into biological/psychological/etc speculations at the moment. But you have not shown that everyone is bisexual.

Differences in sexuality across cultures support my view. But heck, if you just say you don't want to delve into things that support my view, I guess you'll never think that I've shown it.

Of course it is not as clean cut as everyone is either straight or gay and history shows that. But what makes you think everyone is bisexual? How can everyone have the same sexuality?

I disagree that a continuum means that everyone has the same sexuality. A rainbow shows a spectrum of color, but that doesn't mean that red is the same as green.

Further, I would say that there are other facotrs of sexuality, each with it's own spectrum, and that focusing on gay/straight is simplistic. For instance, strength of sex drive would be another factor with a continuum, and monagamy/promiscuity would be another.

And again I have to ask: What do you think will happen if you try sex with a woman and it's the best sex you ever had? Is it possible that such experience might change the effects of your fantasies somewhat?

[Psykhronic]

Look, I cannot fall in love with women nor can I have the sort of connections that become the best sex ever, but yes if that were to happen I'd think differently. So what? I'm just one person and it's already been established that I could be flexible.

And I dont want to delve into things I dont know much about, but sure it's all about you.

I don't know how much more involved I want to get with your continuum(s), so I'm leaving this thread alone. But I will agree that a continuum does not automatically mean the same sexuality.