Stephen Hawking boycotts Israeli academic conference

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Do you even know what the word "anti-Semite" means?

I'm fine with Israel existing btw, but disagreeing with their policies doesn't make me an anti-Semite. Disagreeing with them and using them to make racist comments about Jews would. I'm not sure Hawking has done that (Bobby Fischer certainly has).

So, calling someone a filthy (mormon) is not racist.
calling someone a filthy (christian) is not racist.
calling someone a filthy (muslim) is not racist.
calling someone a filthy (buddhist) is not racist.
calling someone a filthy (scientologist) is not racist.
But! Calling someone a filthy (jew) is racist!

OK, I got it.. and by the way, the majority of the jews I've seen are not of semitic ancestry.

Myself I thought the idea that Jews are a race died out in May 1945 with the surrender of Germany. It is odd Jews try to keep that stupid crap alive. Perhaps it is related to ordering nuns to stop meditating on the torture of martyrs. He clearly implied he knew they were getting off on it. It was not god's reward in this life for meditation.

A few years back I read an article by a rabbi where he lamented the fact the young Jews spent more time being anti-christian than in being Jews.

Anyway most all European and American Jews are Ashkenazi from eastern Europe. They are presumably descended from the Khazar converts. The Khazars were pagans caught between Christians and Muslims. Both would attack them. If they picked one of them the other would attack them. But both sides treated Jews much better than any other religion so it was a safe choice to pick judaism for their new religion.

So the story goes the king invited rabbis to come and teach the new religion, people whose names were variations upon Kohen. And today genetic tests find people with that kind of name do have significant middle eastern origins while the rest have little to none.

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Targeting Stephen Hawking and Dustin Hoffman: Right-wing 'pro-Israel' advocacy as hate speech Increasingly, the rabid far-right 'pro-Israel' camp is carrying out repulsive, hate-filled attacks on Jews whose most cherished wish is to see a stronger, more democratic Israel. It is time to take a stand

As predicted the ritual condemnation is underway.

Fair use excerpt:

"I have a suggestion," Plaut wrote on Wednesday, in a reference to the wheelchair-bound noted scientist, and to a 1985 incident in which Palestinian gunmen commandeered an Italian cruise ship, murdering a disabled American Jewish passenger and throwing his body overboard:

"I suggest that the people of Israel send Hawking for a free trip on the Achille Lauro!!"

So incitement to murder is the natural response of Jews over such trivia.

Burston of course takes a realistic point of view, that saying things like that are counter productive. They should not be said because it is bad PR for Israel but he goes no further than that.

The rituals must be performed. The curses must be laid.

Two points I missed. Burston raised the issue of incitement to murder with "Plaut's argument, that the proper punishment for boycotting Israel should be execution" in the next unquoted sentence.

Second point is
"His whole computer-based communication system runs on a chip designed by Israel’s Intel team. I suggest that if he truly wants to pull out of Israel he should also pull out his Intel Core i7 from his tablet.”
I have seen this claim and in fact a claim that Israel invented multicore CPUs. One has to ask how people who claim to be so smart can have such a false, stupid, nonsensical idea like this.

[Brian37]

...thereby joining the ranks of brilliant anti-Semites like Bobby Fischer. (IMO)

Being against Israel's policies makes one an anti-semite?

Yea, that is bullshit, that is like if you hated Bush's policies that makes you an anti-American when you live in America.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Being against Israel's policies makes one an anti-semite?

Yea, that is bullshit, that is like if you hated Bush's policies that makes you an anti-American when you live in America.

But in this case Israel is its policies. Among others being a Jewish state by continuing to keep the lawful owners of real property in Israel from returning to claim it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Vae Victus.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Vae Victus.

I simply point out Jews stole the land and the owners want it back. The owners cannot be condemned or even criticized for their actions as there is no peaceful means of redress available to them.

This is the way humans are. As a society we insist upon the use of peaceful means of achieving justice as the first resort. Absent peaceful means deadly force is the way we are. No rational person can claim otherwise.

In the mean time all the "poor us" types or their parents or grandparents knew for a fact that going to Israel would mean living under the threat of violence in any and every form by the owners. They CHOSE to live that way of their own free will. Whining about it is pathetic and more than a little disgusting. For those born in Israel through no fault of their own, curse your parents or grandparents not the victims of their greed and avarice.

[The Grand Nudger]

Everyone "stole" all the land, everywhere Nony, it's a distinction which makes no difference. Get over it. I can criticize both sides of the disagreement - and often for the same reasons. Bunch of fucking savages throwing rocks at each other.

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Everyone "stole" all the land, everywhere Nony, it's a distinction which makes no difference. Get over it. I can criticize both sides of the disagreement - and often for the same reasons. Bunch of fucking savages throwing rocks at each other.

How many times must that zionist lie be exposed before they stop telling it? An infinite number of times as they have only lies.

Only a very few places in the world and those after 1492 have land which can be described as stolen. Every place else in the world where genetic tests have been possible the present residents are essentially the same population as the ancient residents. Just last year in Britain using DNA from a body in a bog or some such they found ten people related to him living today.

One can go all through recorded history and learn there is no evidence for for that claim. There are a huge number of instances of changing sovereignty, who rules the land but sovereignty and ownership are entirely different concepts which is why they are different words.

However these mainly eastern Europeans who never had ancestors living the Palestine went there with the specific intention to expel or murder the native population for the purpose of taking their private property. And that is what they proceeded to do.

Yes, I am aware the owners of the land can be criticized but there are always perverse people who love to blame the victim. It is no different from saying the Jews deserved the treatment they got in Europe over the centuries.

As to throwing rocks, I am they would use tanks if they had them.

[The Grand Nudger]

What lie? What's zionist about the observation that the group of humans living in an area today are -not- the same as the groups living in those areas in the past?

You can describe any piece of land as stolen, if all that it requires is displacement, which is the very best that you'll be able to do. Immigration, emigration and displacement are the running themes of the entirety of our history as a species.......

Tanks, rockets, and rocks are all essentially interchangeable for me. They fulfill the same purpose in the same manner.

Is your contention honestly that eastern europeans emigrating to a specific region for whatever reason robs the present political entity of any legitimacy? Good fucking luck. Would I have supported the establishment of Isreal as a nation? No, but it's here now, and it has real world problems. Problems which cannot be solved by pointing at "teh jews"........



Perhaps a double whammy is in order. Give the Palestinians Isreal, and give the Isrealis all of their property and land (now, mostly inherited in both instances) back? Whadda you say, carve up Europe and make way for "teh jews"?

[A_Nony_Mouse]

What lie? What's zionist about the observation that the group of humans living in an area today are -not- the same as the groups living in those areas in the past?

The examples of it are almost all post 1492, post Columbus, and having to do with the Americas and Australia. There are no known examples of it in Europe or Asia. There are some well known examples such as Basques who were there so long they speak an Indo-European language.

There are examples of it from Africa but not many -- which is not surprising of course. The best known the Zulus were migrating south as the Afrikaans were migrating north and both "encouraging" the original population to get out of the way.

You can describe any piece of land as stolen, if all that it requires is displacement, which is the very best that you'll be able to do. Immigration, emigration and displacement are the running themes of the entirety of our history as a species.......

Name the displacements. There was one Sennacherib bragged about. There were ruling classes imported in some cases but not actual displacements or replacements, I am very interested in reading your list of them. The supposed Hadrian expulsion is no more than religious legend.

Tanks, rockets, and rocks are all essentially interchangeable for me. They fulfill the same purpose in the same manner.

Is your contention honestly that eastern europeans emigrating to a specific region for whatever reason robs the present political entity of any legitimacy? Good fucking luck. Would I have supported the establishment of Isreal as a nation? No, but it's here now, and it has real world problems. Problems which cannot be solved by pointing at "teh jews"........

If you are going to consider premeditated murder and theft as legitimate we do not share a common understanding of those words.

So what if it is there? They wiped Palestine off the map after 2500 or more years. No one misses Palestine. It will be no different when this first and only Israel ever to exist is gone. ALL of its problems exist because those problems are what the Zionists wanted. There is no sympathy for the fool who deliberately creates his own problems.

And if one is not pointing at the Jews, just who else is there to point to? They wanted it this way.

[Brakeman]

Everyone "stole" all the land, everywhere Nony, it's a distinction which makes no difference.

We as humans should right all the wrongs we can. Sometimes things are too far in the past, but despite that, much could be done. Israel could at least indemnify the Palestinians, and begin treating them as equals with the full rights to vote. It is Israel's determination to subjugate that is their worst sin.
The jewish desire to sell their propaganda as fact is also a crime that rational men should correct.