I don't believe theists and reject their claims of theism.

[fr0d0]

Thank you Tex. You are too generous

Every point known and to be known of origins affirms a creator.

Can you clarify what you are asserting here for me please?

Why? Because creation invokes the supernatural > that which never can be known. No gap invoked. Rather a subject change.

I am perhaps misunderstanding that by this, your preceeding statement was implying the creator is obvious, but I will wait for clarification before addressing such a claim. I don't wish to put words in your mouth, and want know for sure if that is what you intended me to infer.

I don't think a creator is obvious. I think creation compliments the religious view, or it should, and doesn't contradict it. I am in constant wonder and awe at nature, and at science and theories of such.

[The Reality Salesman01]

@Frodo,

Fair enough and I can respect that. I'm sitting on some oversize tree roots protruding from the sandy wood floor right now. They naturally form a perfect bench. Nature is prett cool. I'm watching my crazy dog chase crabs that are popping out of the sand with zero past success rate. I never know if I give him too much intellectual credit or not enough.