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May 15, 2013 at 7:52 am
(May 15, 2013 at 7:36 am)mo66 Wrote: Do you want a country of stay-at-home mums living off the taxpayer or do you want women to work as well?
I am astonished that you would think that raising kids full time isn't work and doesn't contribute to society.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:02 am
(May 15, 2013 at 7:52 am)Kayenneh Wrote: (May 15, 2013 at 7:36 am)mo66 Wrote: Do you want a country of stay-at-home mums living off the taxpayer or do you want women to work as well?
I am astonished that you would think that raising kids full time isn't work and doesn't contribute to society. I didn't say that, I just asked a question. Some people genuinely believe that society is better off with women not working in the first place so I just wanted to know if that was the other forum user's opinion. My own personal beliefs are that society is better off when mothers take care of their children properly and have extended periods of time with them as I said before. There's a positive externality effect.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:04 am
It doesn't have to be the mother... My next door neighbor is a stay-at-home dad. His wife had the bigger paycheck.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:27 am
(May 15, 2013 at 8:04 am)festive1 Wrote: It doesn't have to be the mother... My next door neighbor is a stay-at-home dad. His wife had the bigger paycheck. There's no problem with that. In my religious ideology though, a wife is entitled to a portion of their husband's paycheck whereas a husband isn't entitled to any of the wife's paycheck. So if I was with a woman who earned more than me, I'd still have to give her some of my earnings despite being poorer than her but there's no problem with that.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:31 am
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2013 at 8:32 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Sounds like a shitty ideology to me. So wait...you have a problem with a business owner being forced to pay out for maternity leave - but the same sort of discrimination and preferential treatment - leveraged by your religious ideology- gets a pass? Why am I not surprised?
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May 15, 2013 at 8:37 am
(May 15, 2013 at 8:31 am)Rhythm Wrote: Sounds like a shitty ideology to me. So wait...you have a problem with a business owner being forced to pay out for maternity leave - but the same sort of discrimination and preferential treatment - leveraged by your religious ideology- gets a pass? Why am I not surprised? I'm not against an employer being forced to pay maternity leave, I think it is discrimination yes but I'm for that, not against it. I think you misunderstood the narrative of my thread.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:39 am
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(May 15, 2013 at 8:37 am)mo66 Wrote: I'm not against an employer being forced to pay maternity leave, I think it is discrimination yes but I'm for that, not against it. I think you misunderstood the narrative of my thread.
Well good, then there isn't anything in your estimation of the situation that lends weight or justification to that discrimination you really want to see more of.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:41 am
(May 15, 2013 at 8:39 am)Rhythm Wrote: (May 15, 2013 at 8:37 am)mo66 Wrote: I'm not against an employer being forced to pay maternity leave, I think it is discrimination yes but I'm for that, not against it. I think you misunderstood the narrative of my thread.
Well good, then there isn't anything in your estimation of the situation that lends weight or justification to that discrimination you really want to see more of. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about tbh.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:46 am
(May 14, 2013 at 6:41 pm)mo66 Wrote: There are no guns here in Europe, just good ol' brute strength and stamina and physical deterrence. Although in America I guess you can have a teenage girl armed with a semi-auto to do the job 
That's probably the plot for Quentin Tarantino's next film.
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May 15, 2013 at 8:47 am
(May 14, 2013 at 8:36 pm)festive1 Wrote: I seem to remember sleep deprivation effecting both my husband and I when our boys were newborns and woke every 4 hours to eat...
Shit, festive, you got off easy. My son never slept for more than two hours at a time for the first six months of his life. My wife and I were in a perpetual zombified state.
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