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In a world without God...
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Well Drich, I definitely didn't worship Christianity, I was a nonconformist, 'A car doesn't have to be in a garage to be a car' sorta Christian. I followed god, not man. I skipped around churches based on the level of spirituality I felt when going. I followed my heart based upon whom I considered god to be, not the words in a book (obviously). Although I was raised in a Christian School for part of my schooling, so I got to read the entire bible there too with a happy heart. Mind you, my life was far from happy. But I found happiness in helping others and sharing god with them. So that's what I did, for fun.
I believe anything I say, you'll have a rebuttal for quite frankly. In this case, me following my god rather than following god. Well, you'd be correct. I was definitely following a figment. Your rebuffs have been off every time. Keep trying to find a reason for me be excluded from your religious beliefs so you'll feel better about the fact that I did everything expected of me and found nothing. I'll wait.

Rationalman: anything god says to do is moral in his eyes..even bashing babies on a rock. Been through this in another thread before you came..
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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It won't work, missluckie. Any failure of Christianity will automatically be re-branded as a failure of the Christian.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Quote:How do you know that what ezekiel recorded was going to happen to egypt did not happen?

Because we have fairly detailed history of Egypt within the time period in question, dipshit. Egypt may have been declining as a world power - which, btw, is another blow to your fucking bible but we can overlook that for now - but it always existed. Armies kept attacking it. It kept defending itself - sometimes with more success than others - but there was never a time when the Egyptians were scattered throughout the lands.

That never happened. And you know what that makes your fucking bible, don't you? BULLSHIT.
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Ah! But just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't in the future... See? Prophecy fulfilled!
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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(June 11, 2013 at 4:03 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Drich, I get what you're saying. But I wasn't 'most'. I didn't consider myself special, but a servant. I was happy and content with dying if it served no purpose but his. My lifestyle was survival of my afflictions--afflictions that I thanked him for each day. I've always been the follow directions unwaveringly sort, and that I did. I made sure minute to minute that I wasn't at fault, by monitoring my thoughts, measuring the purity of my intent, and begging for forgiveness at the most minor of infractions. My mind belonged to god not to me. I have nothing to deny about those times, I was as devoted and pure a daughter of god that one could be. The faith of a child can move a mountain bit was what i lived by per example. I had banished any evil from my life, begged for forgiveness for my inequities, and shunned completely the ungodly acts I'd partaken as a teenager. I was as straight as one can get on that path and he was nowhere to be seen, the entire time, besides my mind.

You can't see what you were doing can you, the NT tells us we need only ask for forgiveness, when you beg for forgiveness (as you put it) you are doubting that God will forgive, you don't trust that He will forgive, you are in fact pushing away His grace. Almost all Christians are guilty of this a some point in their relationship with Christ and I include myself here. You are describing your walk with that of the Pharisees and Sadducees, You described doing these things own your own, you repeatedly say I did this and I did that, scripture tells us that it is God who changes us when we humble ourselves before Him. It is not how good we are, it is how much we allow God to show His goodness through us. We are helpless in this spiritual journey with God, it is beyond us to achieve success in this spiritual walk, that's why we must surrender all to Him. I believe this is why many Christians do not find their walk with Christ satisfying, they want to feel like they have to do things to make Him happy. This could not be farther from the truth, Christ said," Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Just a suggestion here, could it be you were trying to do His work and putting a burden on yourself you could not carry. It has always amazed me how those who have such peace in their lives lived the simplest lives yet so much is accomplished through their lives. I struggle with allowing Christ to do His work in and through me, I'm looking to get ahead of Him, impatient. I want to share an experience in my life, it's not about me it's about a wonderful lady who live her life as I described above and as Jesus asked us to do. This lady 90 years old lived in horrible pain, it was heart breaking to see her suffer, yet she never doubted God's purpose even though it meant great pain for her. I was her deacon and one day I was visiting with her and she asked me, why doesn't God take me, I'm tired of living in pain I'm ready to go home. The only thing I could say was you're still being used by Him as a witness, I knew this was true because she was now to feeble to do anything else. I asked her if she thought she could still witness for Christ, she said yes if that is what He has for me I will do it, she never doubted God, I never told her that she was God's witness to me, showing me how one is to live for Him by allowing Him to live through her, she never struggled with God until the day she died, I will be over joyed to see her again and tell her what God did through her life for me, I will see her not in pain and living in the glory of God. I guess you will see only evil in this and this is where we'll differ, I saw a servant willing to go the distance with God for others, even when she did not know who they were and what her witness was. God worked through her to change lives and many were and I count myself blessed to be one of them. God bless Mrs. Jenny.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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I told you, missluckie.

You just weren't doing it right.
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Well I don't know why you'd think I see evil in a content 90 yr old lady who has someone there for her in her last daysWink I'm not sure what you're saying about the elderly woman though. I've spent last days with elderly too and I can honestly say it was horrifying.

As for forgiveness, I knew god forgave me before I was even born! I knew he 'loved' me no matter what, but I'm an above and beyond kinda girl. I expected more of myself that he did, surely. But that's just who I am, and he says come as you are. So..
I also believed that I was inherently evil by nature, but hey. Comes with the territory.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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Quote:I was her deacon and one day I was visiting with her and she asked me, why doesn't God take me, I'm tired of living in pain I'm ready to go home.

And your response was to invent a reason which didn't sound like God was a monster for coming up with a plan that required the otherwise entirely unnecessary suffering of an old woman.
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(June 11, 2013 at 10:35 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
Quote:I was her deacon and one day I was visiting with her and she asked me, why doesn't God take me, I'm tired of living in pain I'm ready to go home.

And your response was to invent a reason which didn't sound like God was a monster for coming up with a plan that required the otherwise entirely unnecessary suffering of an old woman.

Were you there did you know Mrs. Jenny, did you set with her for hours and watch her live her life to get to understand who she was in Christ, that's what I thought, so shut-up you disgraceful ignorant and uncaring dip.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Delusions seem very real to the delusional. Pointing out that they are delusional is not disgraceful or ignorant. People die all the time, stop acting so offended. Just because you knew her and we didn't, doesn't make Ryantologys point any less valid. In fact its irrelevant to argue that he didn't know her.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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