Richard Dawkins obliterates the 10 Commandments.

[Drich]

What I never understood* is why Christians claim that all the OT rules were the "old covenant" or "nailed to the cross with Jesus" so they don't have to be followed any more, but for some reason the ten commandments do. Or why are the ten commandments so important but the Levitical laws against eating shrimp or wearing clothes of mixed fibers discarded?



*Actually I understand cherry-picking very well.

Its real simple. The OT or old covenant was a contract God had between His people and Himself to establish the 'rules' needed to be found "right" or righteous before God. In the old covenant our works determined our fate.

In mat 5 Christ extends the laws that define the old covenant to include thought, desire and internal feelings. (It is not only a sin to murder someone but it is the same sin if you just hate them. That sort of thing) after what was said there, now it is impossible to find right ness before God by our deeds especially if they are to include thought. (Remember murder and adultry was a death penalty crime under the mosaic law, and after what Christ said if we were under that covenant we could be put to death for our thoughts.)

This is what is meant by Christ completing the law. He extends the law to cover every facet in which it was originally intended then made a sacerfice so we are no longer bound by the law as our sole means to righteousness before God. After the death burial and resurrection of Christ, the law ceases to be the covenant or the measure of righteousness (because after what Christ said no one is able to measure up.) now the covenant becomes a matter of attonement, and whether or not your sins have been atoned for.

[Godscreated]

I don't have much against what you said. I disagree with you. I think that the party in question laying our their beliefs is important. If you don't cool. However when did I claim that a knowledge of scripture is not important? I said a knowledge of interpretations was also important. How is that a bold claim?

You said every Christian has a different interpretation of the scriptures, that's what I was calling bold, over the centuries that would be billions of interpretations and I doubt that would be possible. The way to salvation through Christ is agreed upon by most all denominations, a few do differ, and some site work has to be a part of salvation. The rest of what we differ on is less important than salvation and most of he differences are to satisfy the needs of individuals or groups.

[Savannahw]

I love that your talking to me like I am ingorant of Christianity. It makes for a great conversation. I didn't say that every Christian disagrees about every verse. People could agree on one verse and disagree on another and this would be a unique version of Christianity.

[ronedee]

Then why do certain Christian States in the USA have the ten commandments above the entrance to courthouses?

C'mon, we both know this one: because their beliefs are inconsistent almost to the point of being nonsensical, at least where the bible is concerned.

"nonsensical"? Where are our children getting their values from? No one has answered that question...

You're the guy with all the answers. Tell me what (atheist approved) system is teaching values to our kids?

[Minimalist]

Certainly not from this blood-thirsty motherfucker!

1 Samuel

15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Some fucking moral example you have there, asshole.

[Esquilax]

"nonsensical"? Where are our children getting their values from? No one has answered that question...

We can logically prove that it isn't your god.

Fact: not everybody is christian. Fact: I was born into a nonreligious family. Fact: Both I and the majority of non christians retain those values that are morally good and useful, some of us without ever touching a bible.

Therefore, god is not required to attain values and morality.

You're the guy with all the answers. Tell me what (atheist approved) system is teaching values to our kids?

Couldn't figure out that hurting people is wrong by yourself, huh? Had to be ordered not to?

Really?

[ronedee]

"nonsensical"? Where are our children getting their values from? No one has answered that question...

We can logically prove that it isn't your god.

Fact: not everybody is christian. Fact: I was born into a nonreligious family. Fact: Both I and the majority of non christians retain those values that are morally good and useful, some of us without ever touching a bible.

Therefore, god is not required to attain values and morality.

You're the guy with all the answers. Tell me what (atheist approved) system is teaching values to our kids?

Couldn't figure out that hurting people is wrong by yourself, huh? Had to be ordered not to?

Really?

This is your answer?

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Certainly not from this blood-thirsty motherfucker!

Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Some fucking moral example you have there, asshole.

Were these your relatives? I guess the jackass made it home.

[Silver]

This is your answer?

This is your response?

[Esquilax]

This is your answer?

Next time, you can just post a picture of a white flag. I won't mind.

[ronedee]

This is your answer?

Next time, you can just post a picture of a white flag. I won't mind.

You're CLUELESS!

I asked you ONE question....ONE!

But, you don't have a clue how our kids will have values instilled in them.

I'll tell you how: video games, TV, Hollywood, the internet and the street.

If, and when you have your way...there won't be the slightest "moral value" in sight. No more "Golden Rule"... btw thats a plated .45 in the hood.

But "somehow" people of the world will just know how to be "good"...because it's their "nature" to be that way! Sure pal.

You have no idea what is going on in the "real world". Absolutely none.

One day it will all hit the fan. And there won't be a place to hide. Keep your head in yurass, and your white flag handy ...you'll need it for bandages.