Richard Dawkins obliterates the 10 Commandments.

[Minimalist]

I sort of wonder how these holy catholic asswipes justify this...






given that their so-called bible specifically orders them not to do it.

Exodus 20:4 NIV
New International Version
"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
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Exodus 20:4 ASV
American Standard Version
Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness [of any thing] that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
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Exodus 20:4 BBE
Bible in Basic English
You are not to make an image or picture of anything in heaven or on the earth or in the waters under the earth:
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Exodus 20:4 CEB
Common English Bible
Do not make an idol for yourself—no form whatsoever—of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.
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Exodus 20:4 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
You are not to make for yourselves a carved image or any kind of representation of anything in heaven above, on the earth beneath or in the water below the shoreline.
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Exodus 20:4 RHE
Douay-Rheims
Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
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Exodus 20:4 ESV
English Standard Version
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
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Exodus 20:4 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
Never make your own carved idols or statues that represent any creature in the sky, on the earth, or in the water.
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Exodus 20:4 GNT
Good News Translation
"Do not make for yourselves images of anything in heaven or on earth or in the water under the earth.
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Exodus 20:4 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
"You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the eretz beneath, or that is in the water under the eretz:
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Exodus 20:4 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.
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Exodus 20:4 KJV
King James Version
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

I know the catholic answer - bullshit that it is as always - they simply excised this requirement from their so-called holy horseshit but I'd love to see them defend that decision.

[ronedee]

Sorry if I confused you dear!

Its quotes like this that lead me to believe you were a woman up until recently. Being called dear by some dude named Ron is a Tad bit confusing, come to think of it; considering your avatar is a woman. Just wondering if you call all the girls dear at the prison, or if you're just playing an old lady persona for our benefit?

Your avatar is perfect!

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Trying to be cool by invoking the hideous and meaningless expression 'just sayin' betrays how out of touch you are.

What happen to that great sense of humor? You're sounding like the rest of them.

Sorry for the "dumb-down" but when someone is tossing shit at me its irresistible!

just sayin' dude!

[Mystical]

Well I did pick it out myself...
I've gotten quite a good run of holy hand grenade jokes, so, that's something.
I like bunnies. Oh and skulls, I love ripping peoples jugulars out with my big pointy teeth. I'm assuming you're referring to that.
Second to be unanswered question: what if that bunny is just doing what god told it to? Then it would be a holy moral bunny!

[Cato]

...then you'd hear him under his breath "#*%@! apples suck". LOL!

What does "#*%@!" mean? By its use I can only assume that it is an adjective describing an apple. Red? Golden delicious? Crab?

There is no way you thought to yourself 'pound sign, asterik, percentage sign, at symbol' as a means of expressing yourself, even if you were relating a story.

[ronedee]

In response to which question? The defining moment question? Possibly.

Did you always have faith or did you suddenly get it. So many people in America seem to suddenly get faith and are "born again." For them this appears to be a magnificent awakening.

It can be exactly the same for an atheist. The best analogy I can come up with would be the feeling I imagine a slave got when his chains were finally broken. I called that moment conciousness.

I know its probably totally alien to you but for many Atheists the idea of God is an anathema. The concept is actually repugnant. In some ways more for Jesus than for any other aspect.

I don't want to belabour that point as it is obviously the very things you believe in that horrify me. Difficult to communicate such things without someone getting really upset.

WoW! Is there any one aspect that makes you feel that way? Or is it several aspects? Why the Jesus revulsion? Is it His weakness, love or humility?

I just would like to understand it.

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...then you'd hear him under his breath "#*%@! apples suck". LOL!

What does "#*%@!" mean? By its use I can only assume that it is an adjective describing an apple. Red? Golden delicious? Crab?

There is no way you thought to yourself 'pound sign, asterik, percentage sign, at symbol' as a means of expressing yourself, even if you were relating a story.

How's this: "F___king apples suck". That better? Or do I need to S_P_E_L_L it all out for you?

This place is like a dysfunctional second grade school room.

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Well I did pick it out myself...
I've gotten quite a good run of holy hand grenade jokes, so, that's something.
I like bunnies. Oh and skulls, I love ripping peoples jugulars out with my big pointy teeth. I'm assuming you're referring to that.
Second to be unanswered question: what if that bunny is just doing what god told it to? Then it would be a holy moral bunny!

I like bunny! Especially in stews! emmmmm!

[Cato]

How's this: "F___king apples suck". That better? Or do I need to S_P_E_L_L it all out for you?

This place is like a dysfunctional second grade school room.

Nope. Even worse. You missed the point. Let me spell this out for you....

Why type out '#*%@' or 'F___king'? We all know what you're thinking. The bullshit is that you are communicating in an enviroment that doesn't prohibit or generally denounce the use of derivations of the word 'fuck'.

If you invoke certain personal prohibitions regarding the word 'fuck', so be it. When you type characters, or leave certain letter out of its spelling, you betray your obvious thought of the word, you are obviously thinking of the word.

On that note...
How is it that you are so proper as to not type the word fuck (even though you think the word), but believe in a system that banishes me to eternal torment for denying the holy ghost?

[Mystical]

I like bunny! Especially in stews! emmmmm!

You sickofant

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This place is like a dysfunctional second grade school room.

Yep, a place where you crazy kids still believe in monsters and imaginary friends, where the adults speak and yet the information magically goes in one ear and out the other!

[Mystical]

To be fair, you set yourself up for that one. I don't typically go around calling children children, its offensive to the children.

[max-greece]

WoW! Is there any one aspect that makes you feel that way? Or is it several aspects? Why the Jesus revulsion? Is it His weakness, love or humility?

I just would like to understand it.

Somehow I doubt that really but I have no problem sharing. Just try to understand that the following is a genuine snippet of how I feel and not an attempt to rile you. That might be difficult for you to accept as you read on.

God:

No need to run through OT God - you know the story but here's the thing - this is his account of himself and he still comes across as a complete shit - but, at least, an honest one. Just out of interest - take your list of 7 deadly sins and see how many he suffers from.

Jesus:

Just ask yourself how can the "son of God" be weak or humble really. Doesn't it strike you as a massive act put on to make you feel so important, whilst, at the same time, enrolling you as a complete slave?

Enslavement is not love. You yourself wrote about a combination of obedience and love for followers. Obedience? Really? That's what love demands of you? I don't love that way. I don't demand love that way - or even request it.

I read Mark's Gospel out of interest (being of Jewish origin I hadn't had any real exposure to it other than through others experience). I have to say I actually went into deep shock when I read it. There are few things in my life I regret learning but this is one. The Jesus I saw bore no relation to the one Christians talk about.

I won't go into detail on the issues that struck me as that is the subject of a book I am writing (whether it will ever get published, of course..)

Suffice to say - not even a nice guy, let alone the messiah.

All of this against a background of a God, so unreasonable, that he demands a human sacrifice to pay for the "sins" of man. As so many of these "sins" are merely acts he regards as being disrespectful to him it makes me gag.

Judaism did not represent a huge leap forwards, imho, for its day (that being about 2500 years before Jesus) but it did, at least, manage to move away from the idea of human sacrifice towards animal sacrifice. The scape goat concept may be a horrific one but at least it is better than scape-human which is the basis of Christianity.

That all of this is set-up as if it is God's sacrifice ...... there simply aren't words.

I will stop there - this is a VERY superficial summary but any more and you will just feel I am beating you up.

[Esquilax]

Are you kidding me?! And you're calling me a dreamer and a dimwit? Have you been to Detriot lately? Don't! You won't find much "Co-op'ing", or "empathy"....or "value of life" etc.

Yes, because a single exception destroys my entire argument. That's why all christians are Westboro level insane, or members of the KKK.

What I like is that you're arguing for an objective moral standard which is written on the hearts of all men, and I'm arguing for an evolutionary system wherein morality uprises naturally but is not a binding external state which we are all held accountable to by someone else... and yet you are the one claiming conflict as a point for your side, when in fact it's the exact opposite.

Who is "we" building a "more complex, secular moral framework" right now in this country? AAS?

We are. People. Because, somehow, the vast majority of us do manage to go a day without murdering anyone else.

Do you really believe what you write? Or is this your lame attempt to fill a page so your buddies wouldn't think that you are the idiot that you really are? Rambling still isn't an answer.

Yes, I do believe it. And, unlike you, I was able to actually provide some evidence for my view. You, on the other hand, make the mistake so many of your fellow god botherers do, and mistake derision for a rebuttal.

What you choose to ignore is that there is NO ONE teaching morals to our children in this country. Not schools. Not parents. Not YOU!

Really? I seem to recall my parents pretty comprehensively teaching me how to act like a human being, without recourse to a holy book. Why? Did yours just let you run around like the little animal you are, all day every day? Seems like a failure with them, not society.

There is a culture of death in our society. And it gets worse day by day. As the "commandments" fall, so does our consciousness.

Gotta love a person who takes his life lessons from a book full of death, who fully believes in hell, and who believes in a judgement day to come, talking about a culture of death as though it were everyone else's doing. That's some nice hypocrisy.

That message is loud & clear to our children! Its our actions that our kids learn from. Not some "co-op'ed value" that you think is born in them!

It's a demonstrable fact that morality is partly an innate trait. Some of it is learned, yes, but not all of it. Here, take a look.

But you refuse to acknowledge it. You point fingers, yet don't lift one yourself.

Probably not a good idea to make assumptions about people you don't know, super-stud.

You tear down any good that the vast majority Chrisitians have done, for the sins of a few.

No, but I do believe that christianity is a useless vestigial parasite clinging to the good works that people do, trying to take credit for them. Big difference.

What charitible foundation do you belong to that feeds, clothes and helps anyone regardless of belief, or lack of?

Personally? These guys. I like them, because I think sharing knowledge is important- far more than faith- and that teaching a man to fish, so to speak, is a more useful tool. I know, the idea of spreading knowledge must be an alien one to someone like you, but hey. There it is.

Oh, and I also very much recommend the RWN group to anyone in Australia looking for something to do to help out! It's actually pretty fun, too!

You point to a hand full of sentences in the bible that portray God in exactly the light you want him in. Yet ignore thousands of passages that are profoundly great!

I haven't pointed to any bible verses, personally. I could if I want to, but the point is, you might want to try making your ad hominem attacks, you know... personal?

YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you.

Oh, that one's going in my sig.