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So what's the big deal?
July 15, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Christians make a huge deal out of Jesus' resurrection. Is it really that big of a deal? Can't the god that created the universe and all mankind do something a little more substantial than bring back to life one guy? It's not like he hadn't done it before with other people (someone in 1 Samuel was resurrected, right?) Hell, even Jesus resurrected Lazarus.
It's stated in the OT that god froze the sun and moon in the sky for 24 hours so that Joshua could have all the time he needed to slaughter the people he was after. Isn't that a little more substantial than resurrecting one guy?
And for that matter, why did Jesus resurrect himself? He stayed a few weeks with his apostles, then left them and went into Heaven. Why wouldn't he stay and show to the entire world that he came back to life? Why stay hidden after coming back to life, then leave? WTF? And he promised that his second coming would be in the lifetimes of the apostles. Well, unless there are 2,000 year old apostles still running around, Jesus didn't follow through with his ridiculous claim.
Jesus' "resurrection" is no big deal for a supreme being to pull off, and doesn't make any sense when you look at the facts. Christianity is BS.
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 15, 2013 at 3:22 pm
God owed himself a debt, and he paid it by beating himself to death. Then he realized that he might have overreacted and brought himself back to life because that seems like that fair and honest thing to do. Now everyone can go to heaven!
What's so strange about it? *begins to glance around nervously*
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 15, 2013 at 3:24 pm
This is like peeing in your own back yard right? I'm gonna go try it on a Christian forum see if it makes me feel any better 
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 15, 2013 at 3:25 pm
"The Big Deal" (which isn't half so entertaining as "The Big Lebowski") is that people have been conned into thinking someone took all the punishment for their own ills and their neighbors, giving them a free out with at least one god trotting around at the time. And maybe that god would stick it to the dirty Roman gods who'd been allowing their worshipers to run roughshod on them.
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm
(July 15, 2013 at 3:20 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: Christians make a huge deal out of Jesus' resurrection. Is it really that big of a deal? yes
Quote: Can't the god that created the universe and all mankind do something a little more substantial than bring back to life one guy?
Yes.
The Bible tells us the death and resurection of Christ repersents the fact that Christ has conquored death for all of us, and can indeed offer us eternal life.
Quote: It's not like he hadn't done it before with other people (someone in 1 Samuel was resurrected, right?) Hell, even Jesus resurrected Lazarus.
What is different is that even after they were resurrected they did die again, while Christ and the resurection He offers us is eternal.
Quote:It's stated in the OT that god froze the sun and moon in the sky for 24 hours so that Joshua could have all the time he needed to slaughter the people he was after. Isn't that a little more substantial than resurrecting one guy?
Is stoppong the earth for 24 hours more substantial that offering the entire population of the planet (past present and future) eternal life? Honestly... I don't know what was involved for either, but if I had to guess I would say not.
Quote:And for that matter, why did Jesus resurrect himself?
The bible tells us the resurrection was a confirmation of the prophesy and promises He made as God the Son.
Quote: He stayed a few weeks with his apostles, then left them and went into Heaven. Why wouldn't he stay and show to the entire world that he came back to life?
Why would he need to stay any longer than He did? He told the Apstoles that when He left, the Holy Spirit would be poured out onto the church which would allow them to perform the miricals He was able to do. This is what the church needed then, more than the personal embodyment of God.
Quote: Why stay hidden after coming back to life, then leave? WTF?
Again so that the Holy Spirit of God could personally indewell each and every person, rather than each and every person Goto God, God (Holy Spirit) went in and among the people.
Quote:And he promised that his second coming would be in the lifetimes of the apostles.
No. He promised the this 'generation' would not pass away before He returned. The greek word used can mean an 'generation' as we understand it to mean, but it is also used to describe an entire people. Meaning the Jews as a people would not pass away until his return.
Quote:Jesus' "resurrection" is no big deal for a supreme being to pull off, and doesn't make any sense when you look at the facts. Christianity is BS.
Maybe, the 'resurection' goes a little deeper than what you understand it to mean.
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 16, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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(July 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Drich Wrote: Maybe, the 'resurection' goes a little deeper than what you understand it to mean.
Or perhaps theists simply like to seek meaning in all the wrong places, where there is none.
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 16, 2013 at 3:03 pm
(July 16, 2013 at 2:49 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (July 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm)Drich Wrote: Maybe, the 'resurection' goes a little deeper than what you understand it to mean.
Or perhaps theists simply like to seek meaning in all the wrong places, where there is none.
-or I've just read the bible and have already explained a deeper meaning using what was written about the resurection 2000 years ago.
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 16, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I've actually heard Christians say that Christianity is the one true religion because it's the only one which has the sacrifice on the cross and the resurrection.
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 16, 2013 at 5:14 pm
(July 16, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I've actually heard Christians say that Christianity is the one true religion because it's the only one which has the sacrifice on the cross and the resurrection.
Considering that plenty of other cultures had son's of god born of virgins who were sacrificed and then resurrected three days later, most Christians do not know squat. As usual. The main reason, I have come to learn, for them believing that their religion is the one true religion is that all others were inspired by satan and thus false religions.
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RE: So what's the big deal?
July 17, 2013 at 5:37 am
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2013 at 5:38 am by NoraBrimstone.)
(July 15, 2013 at 3:20 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: Christians make a huge deal out of Jesus' resurrection. Is it really that big of a deal? Can't the god that created the universe and all mankind do something a little more substantial than bring back to life one guy? It's not like he hadn't done it before with other people (someone in 1 Samuel was resurrected, right?) Hell, even Jesus resurrected Lazarus.
It's stated in the OT that god froze the sun and moon in the sky for 24 hours so that Joshua could have all the time he needed to slaughter the people he was after. Isn't that a little more substantial than resurrecting one guy?
And for that matter, why did Jesus resurrect himself? He stayed a few weeks with his apostles, then left them and went into Heaven. Why wouldn't he stay and show to the entire world that he came back to life? Why stay hidden after coming back to life, then leave? WTF? And he promised that his second coming would be in the lifetimes of the apostles. Well, unless there are 2,000 year old apostles still running around, Jesus didn't follow through with his ridiculous claim.
Jesus' "resurrection" is no big deal for a supreme being to pull off, and doesn't make any sense when you look at the facts. Christianity is BS. This is kinda why smart people are rarely Christians, and why Christians are very rarely smart people.
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