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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 14, 2013 at 6:52 am
(July 14, 2013 at 6:28 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Zen. If you understood what you were asking about you'd be dangerous. Right now... You have no clue.
Still no point made esq. Just insults again. Fair enough.
You know, this vaguely hostile dodging the issue isn't actually an argument. You're not going to get anywhere by just using the fuzziest language possible and pretending like you have something interesting to say.
But being that you don't learn lessons or feel the need to provide anything substantial, I predict a one line response filled with unearned derision and superiority.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 14, 2013 at 11:24 pm
(July 14, 2013 at 6:28 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Zen. If you understood what you were asking about you'd be dangerous. Right now... You have no clue.
Still no point made esq. Just insults again. Fair enough.
Yes, I spotted that as well, I do wish you'd stop making them, fr00d.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm
If any of you Christians want proof that God does not exist, go to this site:
skepticsannotatedbible.com
Read it. You will never believe in God again. It proves a hundred times over that God is just a fantasy created by a bunch of bloodthirsty nomads in the ancient middle east.
And Jesus said we must follow the ancient laws forever, so in reality, he changed nothing. The Romans did.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 7:02 pm
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Haha! Good one 
So there you go atheists, if you didn't already know about that particular source of bare faced ignorance. Go fill your boots! 
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 8:01 pm
(July 14, 2013 at 5:28 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I disagree because I know the biblical stance. If you have a point you should present it. But I fear you know the strength of you point relies wholly upon gross misinterpretation. If that is so, then I happily reject your point.
Are you willing to finally demonstrate to the class certain proof that your interpretation of the Bible is the one true interpretation and that all in opposition to your interpretation are objectively incorrect?
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Seriously, fr0d0, the whole "you're wrong" without any corroborating evidence to prove it is coming across as cowardice and an attempt to avoid having to substantiate your claims.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 8:52 pm
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Actually is the other way around faith. The guys saying the bible isn't saying what it actually says bear the burden of stumping up some evidence.
Look to yourself if you want to see who's calling "you're wrong".
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Quote:Mine is the default position of what is accepted.
Where is your proof that there is a single, correct way to interpret what the Bible actually says, and that your interpretation fits it 100%?
After that, we can move on to you proving that every word of it has 100% undeniable basis in fact. You have so much work cut out for you.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 9:23 pm
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I don't even know what this thread is talking about. What is the bibles stance on whatever you're talking about and what verses do you refer to and why is everyone asking questions they already know the answer to? He can't answer your question. So of course you won't get an answer. He can tell you what he believes and why.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
July 15, 2013 at 10:26 pm
(July 12, 2013 at 2:44 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I shrug them off as the desperate attempts of a biased person.
Sure evil people burn witches, are homophobic, racist, sexist, ageist, you name it. That supports Christianity, it doesn't go against it.
(July 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Esquilax Wrote: It is according to Leviticus. And despite your claims of this being self evident, some people do still believe Leviticus to reflect the will of god. How do you know it doesn't?
I don't even know of any fundy idiot literalists who believe that. I know plenty atheists who make that claim. Wot a larf.
Here's one.
Robertson Cites Levitical Death Penalty for Gays, Warns the Land Will 'Vomit You Out' - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ro...b8dnT.dpuf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla..._M4QeF-T-g
He's worth $30 Million dollars and has written these books including the most recent called, New World Order. He's also incited Americans to rise up against Obama over the "gobbledygook" healthcare plan like the Egyptians are against their dictator.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/list/8001.Pat_Robertson
Broadcastingcable.com Wrote:TBN is seen in more than 5 million homes each week, according to that network's analysis of Nielsen ratings. And 700 Club has nearly 1 million viewers every day, says Robertson.
Quote:Robertson presides over an enormous (and tax-exempt) conglomerate comprised of the Christian Broadcasting Network, Regent University (of which the governor-elect of Virginia, Bob McDonnell, is a graduate), the American Center for Law and Justice (whose president, Jay Sekulow, is considered "the leading Supreme Court advocate of the Christian right"), and Robertson's "humanitarian" arm, Operation Blessing (which has been involved in highly questionable -- but lucrative -- relationships with brutal dictators like former Liberian president Charles Taylor, speaking of pacts with the devil). These are far-reaching, well-funded organizations with collective hundreds of million in assets and donations, which interact with the world's powerful, educate the next class of policymakers and lawyers, and project a conservative evangelical interpretation of politics and world affairs around the globe.
Is Pat Robertson influential? Maybe just a little bit.
http://www.religiondispatches.org/blog/2...influence/
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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