Blind faith and evolution

[Rahul]

Hey guys. I managed to snap a picture of enrico and one of his buddies last Sunday on their way to go worship.

[MikeTheInfidel]

Belief in evolution does not require faith. Try again.

You are off track.
I am talking about the contradiction of believing in two opposite.
How can anyone believe in evolution when at the same time not believing in consciousness progress and evolution which can only come from lower form of life to higher form of life and therefore comport reincarnation.
How can you expect to get a higher form of consciousness in just a life time?
Where this higher consciousness suppose to come from?
From Santa?

Oh! So what you're saying is that you're ignorant of the fact that consciousness is 100% the product of a physical brain, and that different species have different kinds of consciousness, based largely on the complexity of their brains.

Your bullshit about "vibrational levels" has no basis in reality, BTW.

[Cyberman]

Rico: you're doing this all wrong. You're approaching this from the top down, instead of the bottom up. To borrow from Douglas Adams, what you're doing is taking apart a cat to find a specific something that makes it alive, then presenting the non-working cat as evidence that life can't have arisen by itself. Forget all this guff about where consciousness "comes from" - read up on emergent properties. Your mind will be blown.

Somehow though I think you prefer your strawmen to reality. They dance to your tune, don't they?

[Doubting Thomas]

Sorry, COM ports have disappeared in favor of USB ports. I don't think they'll make a comeback.

And good riddance! If I ever have to remap an IRQ it'll be too damned soon.

Aren't USB ports wonderful? Just plug something in and it automatically works. True "plug and play." Whether it's a wireless adaptor, dongle, or memory stick, just stick it in and go (that's what she said!).

That being said, I did have to get a couple of serial-to-USB converters for radio interfaces to control radios via computer. But with only two of them it wasn't hard to set up IRQ's and which COM ports they use. But basically all it takes is plugging in and it's running.

[Little Rik]

Oh! So what you're saying is that you're ignorant of the fact that consciousness is 100% the product of a physical brain, and that different species have different kinds of consciousness, based largely on the complexity of their brains. Your bullshit about "vibrational levels" has no basis in reality, BTW.

You guys are still floating in the darkness of total ignorance by pretending that the brain the mind and the consciousness are all the same thing.
By being stuck in the vehicle for so long now you come to believe that the vehicle and the driver are the same thing just as the body, the brain and the I are all the same.
The day you will get you arse off the vehicle then you will realize that that was not the case but by that time you will also realize that you waste so much time and this will prolong your suffering.
Coming back to the meaning of the word evolution even here you confine this word to the physical meaning as if this word should be confine to only this aspect.
Everything in this universe take ages and ages to evolve.
The perception of what is around, what we are where we come from where we go and the progress that we steadily make to improve ourselves is also part and parcel of evolution and this is not physical.
All this is part of evolution within in the deep of our consciousness.
This process is individual as we can see by looking at smart and intelligent people and by looking at idiots so everybody build up their own consciousness step by step.
The similarity to physical evolution is only that the change happen through a long long time span and this require many reincarnations.
The first human of a million years ago like the homo erectus did not have the kind of consciousness that we got now.
It was build up after many reicarnation.
The very science that you guys rely to in order to prove your theory will soon contradict you when it will be shown that in one life you can not possibly get the kind of consciousness that you got now and this will smash up your dogma and blind faith in materialism.

[Chas]

Oh! So what you're saying is that you're ignorant of the fact that consciousness is 100% the product of a physical brain, and that different species have different kinds of consciousness, based largely on the complexity of their brains. Your bullshit about "vibrational levels" has no basis in reality, BTW.

You guys are still floating in the darkness of total ignorance by pretending that the brain the mind and the consciousness are all the same thing.
By being stuck in the vehicle for so long now you come to believe that the vehicle and the driver are the same thing just as the body, the brain and the I are all the same.
The day you will get you arse off the vehicle then you will realize that that was not the case but by that time you will also realize that you waste so much time and this will prolong your suffering.
Coming back to the meaning of the word evolution even here you confine this word to the physical meaning as if this word should be confine to only this aspect.
Everything in this universe take ages and ages to evolve.
The perception of what is around, what we are where we come from where we go and the progress that we steadily make to improve ourselves is also part and parcel of evolution and this is not physical.
All this is part of evolution within in the deep of our consciousness.
This process is individual as we can see by looking at smart and intelligent people and by looking at idiots so everybody build up their own consciousness step by step.
The similarity to physical evolution is only that the change happen through a long long time span and this require many reincarnations.
The first human of a million years ago like the homo erectus did not have the kind of consciousness that we got now.
It was build up after many reicarnation.
The very science that you guys rely to in order to prove your theory will soon contradict you when it will be shown that in one life you can not possibly get the kind of consciousness that you got now and this will smash up your dogma and blind faith in materialism.

Oh, reincarnation. So that's what you're on about.

Sorry, no evidence for that. Besides, it requires dualism. For which there is no evidence.

You are failing at all levels.

[Rahul]

Everything in this universe take ages and ages to evolve.
The perception of what is around, what we are where we come from where we go and the progress that we steadily make to improve ourselves is also part and parcel of evolution and this is not physical.
All this is part of evolution within in the deep of our consciousness.
This process is individual as we can see by looking at smart and intelligent people and by looking at idiots so everybody build up their own consciousness step by step.

And how do you come by your knowledge on this, great buddha?

[LastPoet]

We could do some experiment, some cuts here and there on his brain, to see how long his dualism will stand.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

We could do some experiment, some cuts here and there on his brain, to see how long his dualism will stand.

Well I personally believe him 100%.

He seemingly lost his brain a long time ago but yet, here he is.

[bladevalant546]

Actually there is a small measure of faith that one must have to accept evolution (I do not want to say believe, since that word semantically implies lack of deductive logic). Evolution so far can only explain speciation and adaptation. However, several mysteries still remain right now. One is consciousness (or sentience), Neurology is making a lot of head way in figuring out this mysterious spontaneous "miracle"; however, it is unknown still on when and what mechanics caused sentience to come about. The mystery is only reinforced by the fact that Dinosaurs existed 100s of millions of years longer than Homo Sapiens, and they did not gain sentience to any significant degree. Where faith comes into play, and myself agree with it, is the notion that nature still brought it about. This speculation is only supported through inductive reasoning.

Also, the origins of the Universe itself is taken on a measure of faith. Since we do not know the dynamics of how our universe came into existence. This question has spurred intense debate in the cosmology, physics, astronomy, and theoretical physics fields. We do know several deductive facts regarding the origins of our universe. 1. Whatever "existed" prior to our universe. It had to have contained all potential energy of our universe. 2. It also had to have a catalyst of some kind to expand. 3. Whatever influenced it had to have at least the same power and not obey the laws of physics as we understand them today. With those three observations we hold to a small measure that again nature brought our universe into existence.

Now do I call those "blind" faith, no blind faith by definition is faith without rational and logical reason to have faith into it. Blind faith means exactly as the name implies "blind". It means you have no deductive or even inductive logic to apply to it. You simply have faith in it because you choose to. So "blind" faith in regards to science cannot exist as most "faith" in science has reasoning and deductive/inductive reasoning behind it.