Time For Whites To Wake Up

[Faith No More]

ABSOLUTELY!

Would you say that non-white people shouldn't complain as well then? As in theory, it just 'furthers the attitude that we are somehow defined by our race'?

It depends on the severity of the situation. If districts are being gerrymandered to weaken the Hispanic vote, then that is a valid complaint. White people do not experience that level of racism in the U.S.

Telling black people to be proud of being black, however, only exacerbates the situation, in my opinion.

[Napoléon]

It depends on the severity of the situation. If districts are being gerrymandered to weaken the Hispanic vote, then that is a valid complaint. White people do not experience that level of racism in the U.S.

Telling black people to be proud of being black, however, only exacerbates the situation, in my opinion.

Yep, I have to agree with you. Best thing people can honestly do is shut the fuck up about 'race'. Anyone else seen that morgan freeman video?

Truth is, it's never gonna happen though. At least I don't think in my lifetime it will.

[A Theist]

Yes. Especially when your posts reflect your ignorance. You don't know anything about the South.

You're "Hopeless"

As expected you refuse to answere to the rest of my post.

Either you do not have the braincells to do so.
Or you are to lazy.

Either way, it proves that you are nothing but a dogmatic little angry dog who is incapable of participating in a debate and only manages to repeat the talkingpoints he heard without being able to justify or even explain them and how they stand in reality.

I have not displayed any ignorance of anykind, I have presented my honest opinion on the subject of stereotyps. I presented counters which you and your southern brain refuse to answere. In fact, you simply decalre me to be wrong and irrelevant, without showing why and then take refuge into answereing the replies of others.

It is an irony to see people complain about southern stereotyps and then see that very stereotyp jump up into the debate to be..........

a southern stereotype.

I dont think it is worth replying to you in this thread anymore, you are unwilling to present counters and to reply properly to arguments and what the hell am I suposed to learn here from you other than how to fuck animals and close relatives.

I have not displayed any ignorance of anykind,

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[Anomalocaris]

Telling black people to be proud of being black, however, only exacerbates the situation, in my opinion.

On the margins, telling people to be proud of something that is not the result of their own purposed personal accomplishment, such as their ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, is always capable of generating a bad situation where none existed, and worsening a bad situation where one already exists.

However, this has to be balanced against the fact that prejudices almost by definition targets attributes of the victim that is not the result of their own personal accomplishment. Prejudice has the effect of making people feel debased by attributes which are not of their own doing.

In a society with continuing inequities stamming from from past and present prejudices, motivating people to be proud of a specific attribute which had been at the root of the prejudices directed at them, may be on the whole a necessary corrective for that debasement.

[Something completely different]

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Why? You need to jerk off now?!

I am merely devolving myself onto a level of on which my expressions should be understandable for a halfwit like you.

[Red Celt]

It does make me laugh when I see Tiberius giving kudos to such ridiculous posts as that.

Lol...and it made me laugh to see Tiberius hand your ass to you over your ridiculous posts.

Still banging on about that? When someone makes too many invalid points in a single post... sometimes... I ignore the whole thing, rather than spend all that time showing them how stupid they are. Life is just utterly too short. I do the exact same thing with the vast majority of what you ejaculate on the forum.

Under that cloth cap is tin foil. Lots of tin foil.

[Faith No More]

On the margins, telling people to be proud of something that is not the result of their own purposed personal accomplishment, such as their ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, is always capable of generating a bad situation where none existed, and worsening a bad situation where one already exists.

However, this has to be balanced against the fact that prejudices almost by definition targets attributes of the victim that is not the result of their own personal accomplishment. Prejudice has the effect of making people feel debased by attributes which are not of their own doing.

In a society with continuing inequities stamming from from past and present prejudices, motivating people to be proud of a specific attribute which had been at the root of the prejudices directed at them, may be on the whole a necessary corrective for that debasement.

Yeah, I understand that it's more of a reaction to the marginilization they've suffered, and I don't deny that in the past it was definitely beneficial to be proud of a trait that others held against you even though you are not responsible for said trait. I think now, however, it's gotten to the point where being proud of your race can be detrimental to the cause of equality. Instead of being proud to be black, I think it would be more pragmatic to say that being black is inconsequential to your self-identity. I do realize, however, that is hard when society is constantly identifying you by your skin color, but I think if we want to prevent that from happening, the best course of action is to downplay the importantance of race as a trait.

[Tiberius]

Your story doesn't reflect any systematic oppression like minorities face. You were teased. Big fucking deal.

Whilst his situation doesn't reflect systematic oppression on the scale of other forms of racism, your comment seems to suggest that you believe some forms of racism are fine. I disagree; I think every single form of racism is utterly wrong. It doesn't matter if we are talking about beating up a person because of their skin color, or teasing a person for it.

So yes, ironically your last sentence rings true, just not in the way you meant it. All racism is a big fucking deal and should not go unnoticed just because it doesn't happen "systematically".

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I don't deny that there is racism on both sides. Complaining about racism against whites, however, does nothing to solve the problem and only furthers the attitude that we are somehow defined by our race, instead of trying to put forth the idea that we are first and foremost humans.

Whilst I agree with you on principle, our society currently functions by addressing racism against non-whites, and seemingly ignoring racism against whites. In an ideal world, we should strive to see each other as humans before anything else, but until we reach that point, we can't just ignore things that get in the way of that ideal.

[FlyingNarwhal]

What are any of these groups going to do? Stage a coup? No. They're simply going to make as much noise as they can. That is their Constitutionally protected right. Even the ACLU has defended the Klan's right to hold rallies. They are allowed to keep marching, holding rallies, spouting their hate (as long as it's not inciting violence) for as long as they have an audience, and even after.

I agree.

Here is where the KKK and the Black Panthers differ:
Historical context.
The KKK formed during Reconstruction in response to blacks legally being considered people rather than property. As a group, they are responsible for untold deaths and acts of terror.
The Black Panthers originally formed in 1966 as a radicalized response to the Civil Rights movement. There has been violence, but nowhere near that of the KKK. There has been voter intimidation, again, nowhere near the levels of the KKK. There have been deaths, and that is wrong, those responsible should be held accountable, but there were far fewer than the number of deaths credited to the KKK. The number of murders attributed to the Black Panther Party, according to their Wiki page? About 17 (some of which were murders of Black Panther members). The Black Panthers, while not exactly palatable is decidedly more palatable (in terms of crimes committed and violence incited by each organization) than the KKK.

But if we are going to take historical context into the equation of how we view racially motivated groups than what is the cutoff point? Throughout history atrocities have been committed because one group is different than another. Slavery was not just limited to black people being enslaved by white people. The Roman Empire enslaved many different groups of people, including the ancestors of the people of modern day Germany. Now considering that historical context, that TGAC hails from Germany, and I have Italian heritage; should he be able to make insulting remarks because I'm Italian and it be considered less offensive than if I was to make insulting remarks to him based because he is German.

In my opinion historical context can be damned. Racism is racism, plain and simple. And I will point out racism against whites the same as I do when it's against blacks or any other group. Prejudice, ignorance, and racism shouldn't be tolerated against a group of people because at one point in history the tables were turned.

Furthermore, we are currently on our second incarnation of the Black Panthers, which has been vocal, but far less violent than the first. The KKK's three incarnations or revivals, have all been marked by violence and death, in decreasing numbers as well, but still at a much higher rate than the Black Panthers. One cannot say both the KKK and Black Panthers are equally violent, as this is simply untrue.

I will definitely agree with you that the KKK's history of violence is certainly bloodier than the NBPP, but I'm not advocating that they are equally violent I'm advocating that they are equally racist.

Side note though: The New Black Panther Party is completely separate and more radical than the original civil rights era Black Panther Party.

Another main distinction between the Black Panthers and the KKK... reality.
The KKK speak of being oppressed, of society wanting whites to feel shame about their race, of wanting to preserve the white race and protect their Christian heritage. The Black Panther's rhetoric is, admittedly, quite similar... However, there are obvious, reality based examples for the Black Panther's claims, that don't exist for the KKK, especially in the context of the American Justice system (hello, Zimmerman trial).
Currently, the US has about 7,000,000 people in the Justice system, in jail, prison, and on probation. About 70% of people in the Justice system are black or Latino. We know that all races commit crimes at roughly the same rates. But blacks and Latinos are arrested and convicted at higher rates than their white counterparts. They are also often given longer or harsher sentences (blacks are sentenced to death at a much higher rate than whites). Currently 1 in 5 black males will be incarcerated at some point in their lives. This is an ACTUAL grievance, one that was poked with a sharp pointy stick when Zimmerman was found not-guilty.

Here is where I want to be clear because this is where I think that an important distinction is either not being made clearly, or not interpreted clearly.

I fully recognize that minorities are victims of racism to a larger degree than their white counterparts. I agree with you that the statistics of our prison system are deplorable. But it doesn't mean that the racism against white people should be tolerated because it isn't as common or happens as often. I see it in my mind like this. If racism aimed towards black people is the equivalent of a guy getting punched in the face, then racism towards white people is the equivalent of a guy getting slapped in the face. But just because the guy getting slapped says that he doesn't want to be slapped anymore, doesn't mean that he thinks that the other guy should keep getting punched or that the other guy isn't going through a tougher ordeal.

They actually have every once in a while. White supremacists have spoken at black supremacist meetings because they actually have similar goals. Not a lot of people realize that modern white supremacist groups are no longer about getting a mob together and lynching black people. What they preach now is segregation, which is exactly what black supremacists desire as well. The New Black Panther Party wants a nation solely made up of black people, just the same as the KKK wants a nation of purely white people.

I'd like a source for this.

I should have listed this source to begin with, understandably it's hard to believe.

In 1993, the group organized an event called the National Black Power Summit and Youth Rally, which had around 200 attendees. White supremacist Tom Metzger spoke at the event as a special guest. Although Metzger is no friend of blacks, both he and NBPP members believe that whites and blacks should live in their own separate countries. At that 1993 meeting, Michaels made the likely exaggerated claim that the NBPP had formed 20 chapters.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ther-party

The KKK is not your grandfather's KKK anymore. Oh don't get me wrong they're definitely still a bunch of pricks but they don't believe in killing or enslaving non-whites anymore. They are pretty much a segregationist group only now. Straight from the horses mouth.

Non-white can’t join The Knights because we do not believe in integration or social mixing. There are many organizations working for the advancements of different races. There is nothing wrong with this. If a person doesn’t care about their racial family then they should be ashamed. However, there is nothing wrong with white Christians working to advance their people either. Those who say there is something wrong with this are promoting a double standard.

We do want to point out though that while it may come as a shock to many there are blacks who believe in racial separation. Marcus Garvey was a black nationalist who led millions of his fellow American born Africans on a mission to return to their homeland. The government shut them down. Today the black Muslims, unlike the integrationist NAACP, support separation and are opposed to race mixing and homosexuality. Roselyn C. of Philadelphia, PA is a black female supporter of The Knights and works diligently in her community against the integration efforts of the city and has received widespread publicity. Robert Brock, the black director of the American Committee Against Integration, based in Washington D.C. has been a supporter of The Knights. Not everyone is for integration. The politicians and media just likes everyone to think so.

This is the link to the KKK's website where I found this excerpt.

WARNING: May contain idiotic statements.
http://kkk.bz/?page_id=2896

[A Theist]

Lol...and it made me laugh to see Tiberius hand your ass to you over your ridiculous posts.

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Still banging on about that? When someone makes too many invalid points in a single post... sometimes... I ignore the whole thing, rather than spend all that time showing them how stupid they are. Life is just utterly too short. I do the exact same thing with the vast majority of what you ejaculate on the forum.

Under that cloth cap is tin foil. Lots of tin foil.

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Still banging on about that?

Yup, because it's true. He handed your ass to you.

When someone makes too many invalid points in a single post...

What invalid points? Tiberius took you apart with facts. You had no reasonable responses to his arguments except to blather on with emotional rantings that you couldn't prove.

sometimes... I ignore the whole thing, rather than spend all that time showing them how stupid they are.

Yes, it's quite apparent how you and others here have ignored all the facts connected to the Zimmerman case. None of you have yet managed to sustain your bigoted and emotional speculations with facts of any kind...the only ones who are showing how naive and ridiculous they are is you and your compadres. The tin foil cap is on your head.