Just Curious

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Bi-curious?

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Ok! Thanks, see this is why I ask. I am still trying to learn from people. I appreciate your patience. See the reason why I am even asking these things and trying to find what others believe is because I am not sure I even believe in my 'religion' so I am testing to see what sounds reasonable. What sounds right. If there even is a right.

No problem, good luck.

If you look into other religions, you may get a better sense of how atheists view Christianity. It's very similar to how you (Christian, more or less?) view buddhism, islam, judaism, hinduism, scientology, and all those.

[NoraBrimstone]

Bi-curious?

[The Reality Salesman01]

Ok! Thanks, see this is why I ask. I am still trying to learn from people. I appreciate your patience. See the reason why I am even asking these things and trying to find what others believe is because I am not sure I even believe in my 'religion' so I am testing to see what sounds reasonable. What sounds right. If there even is a right.

You can do it!!! Ask questions, and demand GOOD answers. If you get a chance, go to YouTube and search for Letter to a Christian Nation, its a book, but its available as a free audiobook on YouTube. Takes less than 2 hrs to listen to it entirely. It's pretty damn good. I'm a big Sam Harris fan. Welcome, by the way.

[Bad Writer]

The answers you get from people claiming a religion should be rife with demonstrable evidence of the truth of their claim. If their responses do not contain any such evidence, then these are not good answers, and their beliefs fall flat.

[Edwardo Piet]

Their belief about Jesus being the Son of a god. The supposed miracles in Christianity.

But most of all, their belief that scripture is evidence or that believing without evidence is ever reasonable.

[Mister Agenda]

I think the problem though with most Christians is they want to tell everyone else how to live but they don't want to live it themselves. They don't even truly understand what the 'religion' is all about. But I guess if you choose to believe science you have people like that to. I mean does every atheist even understand the Evolution theory or the Big Bang theory.

It would be nice if every atheist could be articulate and logical about their position. Sadly, as our numbers increase, so will our proportion of average and below-average thinkers...right now it takes a little thoughtfulness to be an atheist in America, the more people for whom it becomes the default position, the fewer of them who will have put thought into it.

And another question, What if God and science are both right. Now don't misunderstand me, this is a major what if...

In the bible it tells us that God said let there be light.Well it doesn't say he created the sun.-So maybe God created the Big Bang when he spoke it. It could have taken billions of years because it also tells us in the bible that his time runs different from us. So 6 days to him is like 6 billion years to us?

I don't know guys its just a thought.

It's a possibility. I appreciate when a Christian is willing to try reconcile their beliefs with the evidence.

[Edwardo Piet]

I used to put thought into my posts against theists, after years I've realized it's not worth the effort.

Can't be arsed anymore.

I used to be here for debate mostly, now I'm here for the atheists.... makes a change to not be friends with someone who believes they have an imaginary friend when they're still an adult and they don't have mental health problems.

[fr0d0]

What if God and science are both right. Now don't misunderstand me, this is a major what if...

In the bible it tells us that God said let there be light.Well it doesn't say he created the sun.-So maybe God created the Big Bang when he spoke it. It could have taken billions of years because it also tells us in the bible that his time runs different from us. So 6 days to him is like 6 billion years to us?

I don't know guys its just a thought.

I think that's what most Christians believe. A vast majority. It's still a misunderstanding of the text, which makes no scientific observations whatsoever.

Science is amazing, and should be understood without the interference of religious dogma. Likewise science needs to remain in its own realm and make no comment on the theological. If we haven't learnt that from Dawkins shameful showing by now then there's no hope for us.

What evidence should there be that being a good person in relation to everything is the right thing to do? Why do we need proof that love wins? Would our actions change suddenly because of that? How would any god showing itself serve to change people's minds that they really shouldn't be selfish assholes?

Wouldn't that remove our choice to be good and deserve just reward? Would we then not be able to be good if good was all there was?

[Chas]

What if God and science are both right. Now don't misunderstand me, this is a major what if...

In the bible it tells us that God said let there be light.Well it doesn't say he created the sun.-So maybe God created the Big Bang when he spoke it. It could have taken billions of years because it also tells us in the bible that his time runs different from us. So 6 days to him is like 6 billion years to us?

I don't know guys its just a thought.

I think that's what most Christians believe. A vast majority. It's still a misunderstanding of the text, which makes no scientific observations whatsoever.

Science is amazing, and should be understood without the interference of religious dogma. Likewise science needs to remain in its own realm and make no comment on the theological. If we haven't learnt that from Dawkins shameful showing by now then there's no hope for us.

What evidence should there be that being a good person in relation to everything is the right thing to do? Why do we need proof that love wins? Would our actions change suddenly because of that? How would any god showing itself serve to change people's minds that they really shouldn't be selfish assholes?

Wouldn't that remove our choice to be good and deserve just reward? Would we then not be able to be good if good was all there was?

We don't require evidence about good, love, selflessness, and so on. But there is no reason to reject evidence that we find, either; or worse, not look. We have evidence that reciprocal altruism works - it is objectively better than alternatives.

Theology is not the realm of science, but I don't think theology actually has a realm.


What "shameful showing" by Dawkins do you refer to?