What can we do to promote Atheism? How can we unite?

[Crossless2.0]

If we atheists are ever going to be taken seriously, we need to stop molesting the altar boys and then covering up for each other.

[Edwardo Piet]

I say we just give theism enough rope and let it hang itself rather than 'promoting' atheism. Otherwise we'll just get labelled as a 'religion' by idiotic theists.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

5. "Cure" people? What? Religious belief isn't a disease.

I apologize for the confusion here, I meant physical ailments and disease (cancer, flus, blindness and etc) . I do not belief religion is a disease, and I understand that science is trying. However, I think science can use more support.

6. Again, are you saying religious belief is a psychological illness? What are you getting that from?

Again sorry, (I am working on my writing. I will be taking classes shortly to help convey my thoughts into words.) I am referring to mental illness and disorders such as Bipolarism, schizophrenia, etc. In my person observations as a ministers kid and attending at least 12 different denominations. I find mental disorders are often neglected by religious organizations. Not to mention society as a whole is still behind on mental treatment.

I disagree with a lot of what you said, but most of all, these two points.

Advancements in science are done by scientists. If an atheist wants to move the process along just go to school and learn science or donate to the right foundation. Which is what religious and nonreligious people do if they care about these causes anyway, I don't understand what kind of help science would need from your brand of "atheism"

Like, what the fuck? There are already countless of scientists and foundations that work towards curing cancer. To say that science needs a boost from atheists is self-delusional.

Science has nothing to do with religion or the lack thereof. And I'm SO sick of religious people thinking they're somehow connected to science. And this whole idea of attaching science to "atheism" is uuuugh. It's borrowing from the hard work that man and women of science have worked towards for so long and attaching it to your identity and your "movement".

What you're proposing has nothing to do with atheism.

[bladevalant546]

I apologize for the confusion here, I meant physical ailments and disease (cancer, flus, blindness and etc) . I do not belief religion is a disease, and I understand that science is trying. However, I think science can use more support.


Again sorry, (I am working on my writing. I will be taking classes shortly to help convey my thoughts into words.) I am referring to mental illness and disorders such as Bipolarism, schizophrenia, etc. In my person observations as a ministers kid and attending at least 12 different denominations. I find mental disorders are often neglected by religious organizations. Not to mention society as a whole is still behind on mental treatment.

I disagree with a lot of what you said, but most of all, these two points.

Advancements in science are done by scientists. If an atheist wants to move the process along just go to school and learn science or donate to the right foundation. Which is what religious and nonreligious people do if they care about these causes anyway, I don't understand what kind of help science would need from your brand of "atheism"

Like, what the fuck? There are already countless of scientists and foundations that work towards curing cancer. To say that science needs a boost from atheists is self-delusional.

Science has nothing to do with religion or the lack thereof. And I'm SO sick of religious people thinking they're somehow connected to science. And this whole idea of attaching science to "atheism" is uuuugh. It's borrowing from the hard work that man and women of science have worked towards for so long and attaching it to your identity and your "movement".

What you're proposing has nothing to do with atheism.

That is fine if you disagree, however I believe you missed the point entirely. Firstly nowhere did I say associate the idealogical beliefs of atheism (in my case agnostic) to science. Second of all I understand science makes no philosophical claims, I am in training in biology myself I would know. Thirdly no where did I say of attachment, the idea that I promote is a simple psychological premise of doing what religion is not. People view a ideology by its actions, or at least what it claims to be for.

Agnosticism, Athiesm, diesm, or secularism all are ideological claims. All of which carry a certian stigma to them, these stigma's often originate from actions of said ideology. Basically groups of the secular nature would do credit in promoting science over religious faith in the field of medicine and research, which a lot do. I understand your point and in no way shape or form want to create a system of governance with any ideology. Basically I was going off of several premise present by Dawkins and Sagan in regards to how teach society over time that religion is not needed. The other examples I present are typical psychological tactics to help change the misconceptions and negatives that being non-religious holds. Thanks for the comment however emotionally charged and abrasive as it it.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

how is atheism an ideology? It's a lack of belief.

Promoting science and promoting atheism are two different things.

[bladevalant546]

how is atheism an ideology? It's a lack of belief.

Promoting science and promoting atheism are two different things.

I can see what you are saying, and I will agree that the new definition of atheism is not an ideology. I am still stuck in the old Greek meaning of the word. And I agree promoting atheism and promoting science are two different things. However, the political motivations (note: political here is not governmental politics) is to get positive association of atheism with progress, by which science is usually seen as. I do see your point in regards to science and can see how this view point can be manipulated to suit negative ends. I will admit I have a certain degree of bias, as I grew up in a predominate religious home (preachers kid) and was always surrounded by religion. Therefore, this highly influences my personal ideology towards a free thinking and civil society. I really do not like people who emotionally defend whatever their personal opinions are.

I value different viewpoints, which is why I am not afraid of being wrong or incorrect. I personally want none religious belief to be seen as progress and not immensely negative. I already in my own area among my old Christian peer and friends presented positive image of secular viewpoints. Since most atheists here have been atheists longer I can expect more informed opinions and better view points.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Us atheists are like vampires. The longer you are one, the stronger and more powerful you become.

Eventualy you can fly. I can already sort of hover. That should be our selling point if we're to have one. Hell, some people already believe in a big old guy in the sky who can see everything and judge them for stuff they don't even know they've done yet. Convincing them of this shoul be simple.

[Cyberman]

Religious folks have all the support they need. They have community, church members, mosque etc where they gather and make plans to convert other unsuspecting victims.

We athiests, are quiet and spread all over the world.

Don't you see? That's our greatest strength; that's why theists fear us! Unlike them, we atheists tend not to accrete into focussed groups where our position can be seen. In other words, precisely because we are a disparate inhomogeneous force spread so widely, they can never be certain where the next attack will be coming from! Nothing scarier than an invisible enemy!

What say my fellow brethrens? How shall we proceed in a better and effective way?

Unless we include a decent share of sistren in all this, I'm not gonna play.

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I could give it a spin. I have a feeling most people wouldn't be particularly interested in watching me have sex though.

You do yourself a disservice, if not an injury. If you think sex necessarily involves giving it a spin, I have a feeling many, many people would find it fascinating.

[The Magic Pudding]

Who do we all hate?

Can't agree on that.

So we need to find someone we can all hate to unite the disparate strings of atheism.

We could just make toast though, I like toast.

[Cyberman]

Here's my nomination for a common enemy: