That, too. Variety, you know. For a bunch that is supposed to be "celibate" they do seem to get around.
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There was no census when Jesus was born
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Yeah they do. And their victims willing go to them, dropping to their knees, mouth open. It's almost forgivable. Well, to the church hierarchy, it is forgivable.
Judge not, lest ye be... (August 29, 2013 at 5:58 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: Please do give us more, I'm especially interest in the lunar eclipse. Got anything on the star of Bethlehem. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
The bit I find unconvincing in the story is the need for everyone to go back to their place of birth. A requirement that would cause massive upheaval, decimate the economy and be avoided by adding the question "place of birth" on the the census.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. (August 30, 2013 at 4:20 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The bit I find unconvincing in the story is the need for everyone to go back to their place of birth. A requirement that would cause massive upheaval, decimate the economy and be avoided by adding the question "place of birth" on the the census. The economy of that time was not even close to what we have, and it would be like most everyone going on vacation and spending money on their needs, so it would generate a bit of money being passed around. I would say that many people never left their birth place or at least not far away. Many Jews of the day traveled to Jerusalem every year for Passover. Just some ideas to think about. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(August 30, 2013 at 4:42 am)Godschild Wrote:(August 30, 2013 at 4:20 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The bit I find unconvincing in the story is the need for everyone to go back to their place of birth. A requirement that would cause massive upheaval, decimate the economy and be avoided by adding the question "place of birth" on the the census. So what you are saying that it would not have been easier to include the question place of birth on a census rather than have every person traipse back to where they were born? It may have moved money "around" but things would not have been made. There is a reason that people aren't forced. no matter their medical condition, to their place of birth in order to fill out a census. It is doing a census the stupid way and Romans were not stupid. It is a mad scheme that no rational person would put in place. It looks to me like an excuse to plug in the Mithras birth myth so they can make the christian god appeal to Mithras worshipping roman soldiers. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. (August 30, 2013 at 6:30 am)LastPoet Wrote:(August 30, 2013 at 1:52 am)Minimalist Wrote: That, too. Variety, you know. For a bunch that is supposed to be "celibate" they do seem to get around. I thought 'apostle' was Aramaic for 'gay lover'. (August 29, 2013 at 6:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Even Quirinius' census would not have extended to friggin' "Nazareth" which apparently did not even exist at the time and later on, when it was founded, was in Galilee which was not part of the new praefecture of Judaea. The Greek word for “first” in Luke 2:2 is protos and can be translated “before.” Thus Luke 2:2 could actually be translated, “This was the census taken before Quirinius was governor. http://www.gotquestions.org/Quirinius-census.html (August 29, 2013 at 10:09 pm)ronedee Wrote: You've gone through a lot of trouble for nothing. I'll agree with you on that one.
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