Genocide in the Old Testament

[John V]

Atheists don't mind a good Earthly life affirming down to Earth character with a rebellious independent streak who can't be doing with spiritual bullshit or being told what they ought to do. There's affinity there if he ever existed. Cthulu now he's threatening.

Satan as portrayed in the Bible doesn't want to be told what to do, but he does want to tell others what to do.

[Zone]

Satan as portrayed in the Bible doesn't want to be told what to do, but he does want to tell others what to do.

He's telling you to enjoy your life and so being a spiritually pretentious puffed up world hating ninny if he's telling you anything. Show some respect for your true Lord and Master.

[John V]

He's telling you to enjoy your life and so being a spiritually pretentious puffed up world hating ninny if he's telling you anything.

Citations?

[InevitableCheese]

My whole point in this post was that in light of Christian beliefs, these things ARE okay. You won't be able to convince them otherwise.

I won't believe in a god creates us sick, demands us to get well, and claims right over our lives because we are created evil and deserve judgement. Ordered to both compulsory fear and love, which denies the whole purpose of love in the first place. It isn't love. It's slavery. A celestial dictatorship. If you wish to be the plaything of your God, and view us as the same, more power to you. But as for me, I'll stand up for the rights to life of my brothers and sisters when they're slaughtered in his name.

Despite all this, even Israeli archaeologists looking to justify their claim over Palestine have yet to find a single shred of archaeological evidence for Genesis or Exodus. There were never two million slaves, there was no escape from Egypt, there was no conquering of the "promised land". Egypt was the garrison power in Canaan, let alone the entire Nilotic region, and no one shows any historical record either. It's just a fictitious creation and origin of the Jews.

[Zone]

Citations?

You have to read between the lines a little but that's what he's all about, he knows what humanity really wants you know. You can have some Satanic Bible quotes.

“Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true Messiahs - Cursed are the god-adorers, for they shall be shorn sheep!”

“Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!”

“Satanism advocates practicing a modified form of the Golden Rule. Our interpretation of this rule is: "Do unto others as they do unto you"; because if you "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and they, in turn, treat you badly, it goes against human nature to continue to treat them with consideration. You should do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but if your courtesy is not returned, they should be treated with the wrath they deserve.”

“The person who takes every opportunity to "pick on" others is often mistakenly called "sadistic". In reality, this person is a misdirected masochist who is working towards his own destruction. The reason a person viciously strikes out against you is because they are afraid of you or what you represent, or are resentful of your happiness. They are weak, insecure, and on extremely shaky ground.”

"I break away from all conventions that do not lead to my earthly success and happiness.”

“There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!”

“Even with all their threats of eternal damnation and soul roasting, Christian missionaries have run across some who were not so quick to swallow their drivel. Pleasure and pain, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder. So, when missionaries ventured to Alaska and warned the Eskimos of the horrors of Hell and the blazing lake of fire awaiting transgressors, they eagerly asked: "How do we get there?"!”

“On Saturday night, I would see men lusting after half-naked girls dancing at the carnival, and on Sunday morning when I was playing organ for tent-show evangelists at the other end of the carnival lot, I would see these same men sitting in the pews with their wives and children, asking God to forgive them and purge them of carnal desires. And the next Saturday they'd be back at the carnival or some other place of indulgence. I knew then that the Christian church thrives on hypocrisy, and that man's carnal nature will out no matter how much it is purged or scoured by any white-light religion.”

“Some religions actually go so far as to label anyone who belongs to a religious sect other than their own a heretic, even though the overall doctrines and impressions of godliness are nearly the same. For example: The Catholics believe the Protestants are doomed to Hell simply because they do not belong to the Catholic Church. In the same way, many splinter groups of the Christian faith, such as the evangelical or revivalist churches, believe the Catholics worship graven images. (Christ is depicted in the image that is most physiologically akin to the individual worshipping him, and yet the Christians criticize "heathens" for the worship of graven images.) And the Jews have always been given the Devil's name.”

No hypocrisy with Satan he'll tell you how it is and what you really are. Would you really want to go to Heaven and sings hymns for all eternity? Or would you like an eternity of sensual delight and luxury awaiting for you in Hell? Of course the Bible misrepresents it as you can imagine, I think Satan rebelled because he wanted humanity to instantly be immortal gods unless that was just the Book of Mormon but you get the idea. If Satan was the serpent in Genesis perhaps he was trying to do us a genuine a favor there by tempting Eve with the fruit. He's saying "Do you want to mindlessly obey God all the time or think for yourself"?

[John V]

Ah, so by Satan you mean a different being than the Satan described in the Bible. Got it!

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John V,

Have you ever wondered if Satan is actually the good guy and its God that is the evil one - but that God has better PR?

[John V]

Have you ever wondered if Satan is actually the good guy and its God that is the evil one - but that God has better PR?

No. I can intellectually recognize that the possibility exists and that my positions admittedly rest to a degree on faith, but I haven't actually pondered if Satan is the good guy. Why would I? Heck, it could be that there's a capricious God making all of it up, but I'm not sitting around pondering that, either.

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Have you ever wondered if Satan is actually the good guy and its God that is the evil one - but that God has better PR?

No. I can intellectually recognize that the possibility exists and that my positions admittedly rest to a degree on faith, but I haven't actually pondered if Satan is the good guy. Why would I? Heck, it could be that there's a capricious God making all of it up, but I'm not sitting around pondering that, either.

Why would you? Now that's a question.

You see to me it wouldn't make a jot of difference as I don't believe in either of them but if you are a believer then an eternity in heaven awaits the outcome - doesn't it?

To be honest I was just musing as follows:

We know God is good because the Bible tells us.
If God didn't write the bible he certainly had a hand in steering those that did.

So its his word.

Now if we look at his word we see the rules (think 7 deadly sins for example) and then we compare his behaviour against those. As a believer we then have to jump through hoops to justify why he doesn't live up to his own guidelines.

Could it be that the dangers of a written Bible is that we don't see the irony or sarcasm in his voice? Look how hard to tell whether someone is being serious or sarcastic in a post on here - and these posts are so much shorter than the Bible is.

My original post was written tongue in cheek - now I am not so sure.

No wonder he is so evasive and difficult to understand.

No wonder he only ever appears to illiterate peasants of generally fairly low intelligence.

No wonder there are so many versions of belief - that followers are happy to kill over.

Bloody hell!!

[John V]

Why would you? Now that's a question.

You see to me it wouldn't make a jot of difference as I don't believe in either of them but if you are a believer then an eternity in heaven awaits the outcome - doesn't it?

If it's true an eternity in heaven awaits the outcome, regardless of one's belief or disbelief.

To be honest I was just musing as follows:

We know God is good because the Bible tells us.
If God didn't write the bible he certainly had a hand in steering those that did.

So its his word.

Now if we look at his word we see the rules (think 7 deadly sins for example)

I get your intent, but for the record, this really isn't Biblical.

and then we compare his behaviour against those. As a believer we then have to jump through hoops to justify why he doesn't live up to his own guidelines.

No, as a believer I can simply say that his guidelines for man are not binding on himself.

Could it be that the dangers of a written Bible is that we don't see the irony or sarcasm in his voice?

Could it? Sure. So what? Also note that important doctrines can usually be supported from multiple parts of the Bible, which logically decreases the possibility of misunderstanding sarcasm.