(September 19, 2013 at 11:37 am)John V Wrote:(September 19, 2013 at 11:32 am)max-greece Wrote: Brilliant - we can therefore imply perfection without defining it - thank you.<sigh> A perfect human is not a jealous one, and so on - although as already noted, the seven deadly sins are not a biblical concept, so I don't even know that this is correct.
So:
Jealousy is one of the seven deadly sins.
Implication - a perfect being is not a jealous one.
Nice try, but:
God made man in his own image.
God is therefore a perfect human.
A perfect human is not a jealous one......God isn't perfect.
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Genocide in the Old Testament
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Let's see if we can dumb this down enough for you all.
A sports car can go 120 mph. A bicycle can't. That doesn't mean the bicycle is flawed, because there are different standards for sports cars and bicycles. 
LastPoet
 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione
Therefore god is a sportscar? What?
(September 19, 2013 at 11:42 am)max-greece Wrote:(September 19, 2013 at 11:37 am)John V Wrote: <sigh> A perfect human is not a jealous one, and so on - although as already noted, the seven deadly sins are not a biblical concept, so I don't even know that this is correct.You ignored part of my post, and I disagree with your second line. Humans were at the outset free of your deadly sins, so by your reasoning perfect, yet they weren't god, therefore god is not a perfect human. 
Lemonvariable72
Copenhagen School Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher.
John V. could you please illustrate the standard by which god is worthy and we are not?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.  (September 19, 2013 at 11:37 am)John V Wrote:(September 19, 2013 at 11:34 am)Stimbo Wrote: So biblical authority, or at least your espousing of it, hasn't even caught up to the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s. I'd have liked to think we were a bit more enlightened than that as a species. Nothing, except the stench of theist deflection. How about you take off the cool shades and at least acknowledge the assessment?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(September 19, 2013 at 11:55 am)John V Wrote:(September 19, 2013 at 11:42 am)max-greece Wrote: [/hide]You ignored part of my post, and I disagree with your second line. Humans were at the outset free of your deadly sins, so by your reasoning perfect, yet they weren't god, therefore god is not a perfect human. Looks like we reached the same conclusion  We have already established that we are using a subset of imperfections. Full compliance with them does not indicate perfection, non-compliance dictates a lack of perfection, however. Oh - and as we have used logic to decide the bible is not accurate quoting humanity as having, in history, perfection is meaningless if you are getting that from the Bible. RE: Genocide in the Old Testament
September 19, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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(September 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Nothing, except the stench of theist deflection. How about you take off the cool shades and at least acknowledge the assessment?Sure. If you want to continue discussing your intellectual dishonesty, that's fine by me. I mentioned differences based on age or societal authority. I acknowledge that you twisted those to race. Happy?  (September 19, 2013 at 12:07 pm)max-greece Wrote: We have already established that we are using a subset of imperfections. Full compliance with them does not indicate perfection, non-compliance dictates a lack of perfection, however.After creation the Bible says it was all very good. Unless you can prove an imperfection in Adam at that point, he was a perfect human. Quote:Oh - and as we have used logic to decide the bible is not accurate quoting humanity as having, in history, perfection is meaningless if you are getting that from the Bible.Huh?  (September 19, 2013 at 11:58 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: John V. could you please illustrate the standard by which god is worthy and we are not?A couple off the top of my head: God doesn't sin, we do. God is the creator, we are the creation. 
The head character of the bible is a immoral fuck.
Here is the plot of the bible. Part one. Abusive spouse beats the shit out of you for dissent and trying to leave him. Part two. Abusive spouse promises not to beat you anymore. Part three. Goes back to beating the shit out of you, but keeps those who kiss his ass. Great manifesto for dictators.
Lemonvariable72
Copenhagen School Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (September 19, 2013 at 12:16 pm)John V Wrote:(September 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Nothing, except the stench of theist deflection. How about you take off the cool shades and at least acknowledge the assessment?Sure. If you want to continue discussing your intellectual dishonesty, that's fine by me. I mentioned differences based on age or societal authority. I acknowledge that you twisted those to race. Happy? So who then decided what is and is not sin?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. |
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