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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 8:05 am)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: (September 27, 2013 at 2:42 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: But since infinity is a mathematical concept, I want to run my intuitions by someone familiar with set theory and/or transfinite arithmetic. *sits down with a cup of coffee*
I'm game.
How much do you know about this kind of math? Do you know what actual and potential infinities are?
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 6:52 pm
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This should be interesting.
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 7:02 pm
I sense a Kalam-mity in the offing.
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm
(September 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: If actual, discrete infinites can exist in our world, then our universe can exist eternally, and does not need God to create it. Even if infinites cannot exist in our world, that does not necessarily validate any of the god claims. What do you mean when you say "god", anyway?
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 7:35 pm
(September 27, 2013 at 9:57 am)Faith No More Wrote: Every day is "Everyone Be an Asshole Day" when Vinny is around. He's said the most despicable shit on this forum, and that is saying a lot.
I think that distinction belongs to the Christians like Frodo, Drich, John V and Godschild who are happy to tell you why they think it was awesome that infants and children were victims of their god's mass slaughter and would eagerly pick up weapons and do the deed themselves if God told them to.
I usually ignore Vinny because he's just a store brand version of Waldorf really. What has he said that is terrible?
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 7:53 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: (September 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: If actual, discrete infinites can exist in our world, then our universe can exist eternally, and does not need God to create it. Even if infinites cannot exist in our world, that does not necessarily validate any of the god claims. What do you mean when you say "god", anyway?
Of course it doesn't. Who says it does?
If you're not following how the argument works why don't you just ask?
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 7:55 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 7:35 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I think that distinction belongs to the Christians like Frodo, Drich, John V and Godschild who are happy to tell you why they think it was awesome that infants and children were victims of their god's mass slaughter and would eagerly pick up weapons and do the deed themselves if God told them to.
I usually ignore Vinny because he's just a store brand version of Waldorf really. What has he said that is terrible?
TGAC linked to a post he made to thesummerqueen in which he wished she got cancer and then went on to describe in detail the horrible consequences of that. If I remember correctly, he also said something terrible to Stimbo, but I'm not sure about the specifics of that one.
When Vinny is an asshole, he makes it personal, unlike our resident theists.
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 8:01 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 7:55 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (October 1, 2013 at 7:35 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I think that distinction belongs to the Christians like Frodo, Drich, John V and Godschild who are happy to tell you why they think it was awesome that infants and children were victims of their god's mass slaughter and would eagerly pick up weapons and do the deed themselves if God told them to.
I usually ignore Vinny because he's just a store brand version of Waldorf really. What has he said that is terrible?
TGAC linked to a post he made to thesummerqueen in which he wished she got cancer and then went on to describe in detail the horrible consequences of that. If I remember correctly, he also said something terrible to Stimbo, but I'm not sure about the specifics of that one.
When Vinny is an asshole, he makes it personal, unlike our resident theists.
If you have a problem with anything I have said and done, you're allowed to get in touch with me. I'm generally nice to people who are nice to me.
I have been a bit feisty before. But I figure the conversations are a bit more engaging when there is less bickering going on.
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 8:01 pm
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(October 1, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: If you're not following how the argument works why don't you just ask? ?
Also, I have another question which I already asked. What do you mean when you say 'god'? I just need to know, because a lot of time people use 'god' to describe the universe as we know it, basically, and all the arguing was then for nill.
(October 1, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: (October 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: Even if infinites cannot exist in our world, that does not necessarily validate any of the god claims. What do you mean when you say "god", anyway?
Of course it doesn't. Who says it does?
The OP says:
"If actual, discrete infinites can exist in our world, then our universe can exist eternally, and does not need God to create it."
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RE: Request: Math expert to prove God doesn't exist.
October 1, 2013 at 8:13 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: If you have a problem with anything I have said and done, you're allowed to get in touch with me. I'm generally nice to people who are nice to me.
I have been a bit feisty before. But I figure the conversations are a bit more engaging when there is less bickering going on.
I have no need to get in touch with you, but if you continue as you have, I'm willing to let the past be the past. You make interesting points, so it is disappointing when you are quick to the insults.
Personally, I think this forum could use more philosophical conversation, and you seem to be fairly well-versed in that.
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