Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain

[Neo-Scholastic]

Only in Christian WOO WOO land does this mean anything different.

Or according to Steven Pinker.

Steven Pinker on Scientism

BTW, I notice you only attack me. Apo, called you a moron too.

[Brian37]

Only in Christian WOO WOO land does this mean anything different.

Or according to Steven Pinker.

Steven Pinker on Scientism

BTW, I notice you only attack me. Apo, called you a moron too.

Can science be used to do horrible things? DUH! But Pinker is an idiot for thinking other atheists don't already know this. It still would NOT default to a god needed to explain a damned thing.

The ETHICS of science also require SCIENCISTS TO BE QUESTIONED. Any human venture, left without checks on it can go off the rails and be abused, that does not mean humans should throw up our hands and stop seeking answers.

Science is a tool, and like any tool, like a hammer, you can use it to build a house, or crack someone in the skull. You cannot blame the hammer(method) for what the person uses it for.

Humans run everything in life, politics, religion, business AND science. Abuse of power is the issue, not the tool of scientific method itself.

[Dunno]

this whole thing depends on your definition of mind, as if you're defining it in a supernatural sense. mind is an abstract word, whereas brain is a concrete word referring to an organ, so this is a pointless comparison, how much the brain is involved in how we think, how our other organs relate to our mind, these are the questions you should be asking, not putzing around a dictionary.

[genkaus]

The ETHICS of science also require SCIENCISTS TO BE QUESTIONED.

This is ironic. For someone who denounces philosophy every chance he gets, you are quick to invoke ethics - a philosophical field of study - where it concerns the practice of science.

[bennyboy]

Hey, bozo, he said "scientism", not "science."

Bozo to you ass hole..
From Google
sci·en·tism
ˈsīənˌtizəm/
noun
rare
noun: scientism

1.
thought or expression regarded as characteristic of scientists

Scientists study science.

Only in Christian WOO WOO land does this mean anything different.

No.

"-ism" refers to the ADHERENCE to a body of beliefs or a methodology. It's a choice in how to approach problems.

If scientisim = science, then atheism = atheos (no God). Few here will argue that, because it's linguistically unsound.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

You are lost as far as worthiness to talk to in an rational, truth seeking way when you mentioned Plantinga.

This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard someone say on this forum.

[Brakeman]

"-ism" refers to the ADHERENCE to a body of beliefs or a methodology. It's a choice in how to approach problems.

If scientisim = science, then atheism = atheos (no God). Few here will argue that, because it's linguistically unsound.

If scientism = using the rational observation methods in science, then Atheism = using the rational observation of the absence of god. I see no problem with that.

You don't just go making up words by slapping an "ism" on it and call it a religion or a "pseudo-religion." "Scientism" is a word made up by woo woo doctors to push a anti-science agenda. Even though it may be espoused by others, it is a nonsensical term as the definition of science does not lend itself to the creation of an "ism":
sci·ence
noun: science

1. The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

The "ism" of observation called science, is just systemic observation, a behavior that ubiquitous in rational behavior. Whereas one could live to be an avoider of atheism, judaism, or whatever religionism you want, you can't rationally avoid the tenets of science in everyday life. You observe and react. You "tested" your understanding of the world as an infant and you continue to rely on the observational evidence you gleaned then.

Anyone that uses the word Scientism other than in jest is a buffoon.

[Whateverist]

BTW, I notice you only attack me. Apo, called you a moron too.

Well she does have a more fetching avatar and while she occasionally weighs in as a Taoist and Hindu, she never advocates for those beliefs. You on the other hand have walked into the lion's den wearing a sign that says "fresh meat".

(Seriously, I do regret the frequent cheap shots and excessive venom you receive. I don't agree with everything you say but you're intelligent and a gentleman.)

[Angrboda]

You don't just go making up words by slapping an "ism" on it and call it a religion or a "pseudo-religion." "Scientism" is a word made up by woo woo doctors to push a anti-science agenda. Even though it may be espoused by others, it is a nonsensical term as the definition of science does not lend itself to the creation of an "ism".
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Anyone that uses the word Scientism other than in jest is a buffoon.

scientism, n.
2. A term applied (freq. in a derogatory manner) to a belief in the omnipotence of scientific knowledge and techniques; also to the view that the methods of study appropriate to physical science can replace those used in other fields such as philosophy and, esp., human behaviour and the social sciences.

Back to Methuselah p. lxxviii,   The iconography and hagiology of Scientism are as copious as they are mostly squalid.

French Painting in 19th Cent. i. 73   It really appeared to many educated people that at last all the secrets of the universe would be discovered and all the problems of human life solved. This superstition..we may call ‘Scientism’.

tr. N. A. Berdyaev Solitude & Society i. 12   Science has not only progressively reduced the competence of philosophy, but it has also attempted to suppress it altogether and to replace it by its own claim to universality. This process is generally known as ‘scientism’.

[bennyboy]

You don't just go making up words by slapping an "ism" on it and call it a religion or a "pseudo-religion."

1. Bullshit you don't form words that way. You can in fact put an "-ism" on any noun that refers to a body of knowledge, a methodology or an ideology. That's what that particular suffix is for.
2. You don't go making up strawmen to shoot down, either. Did I say science is a religion or a "pseudo-religion?"

Anyone that uses the word Scientism other than in jest is a buffoon.

Sure you can have scientism. It is the belief in the authority of big-S Science by people who don't understand it. It is the faith that scientists are here to solve the world's problems.

Don't believe me? How many people are out there who think science has replaced philosophy as the only useful way to think about the world, but who couldn't tell you the basics of the scientific method to save their lives? How many people are there who don't know that science is itself a philosophy?

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I see that apophenia beat me to the punch.