Women rights in Islam

[Darwinian]

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
— Qur'an, Sura 24

100 stripes, without compassion, witnessed by all, for [i]flirting![

Can you prove that those punishments are wrong?

Well, opinion is divided isn't it.

The vast majority of the civilised and enlightened world would say that this practise is barbaric and abhorrent whilst those living in backward theocracies or who's minds are twisted by wicked ideology would probably think this sort of thing is perfectly correct and the will of the creator of the universe.

[Dragonetti]

You need to prove that activity deserves the punishment. Which, what most different cultures consider flirting is different and opinionated. And you ignore all my quotes from that good book.

[Muslim Scholar]

You need to prove that activity deserves the punishment. Which, what most different cultures consider flirting is different and opinionated. And you ignore all my quotes from that good book.

Yes, I can prove that

1-I already proved God existence
2-I'll need to prove that Quran came from God
3-It is mentioned in Quran

Q.E.D.

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The vast majority of the civilised and enlightened world

That's very funny
You believe that you are a mutation so how a non-intelligent mutation can lead to enlightenment?

[Dragonetti]

You have yet to prove god's existence. If so, publish your findings and win the Noble Peace Prize. Specially since you use Koran as part of your proof of god's existence.

[Brian37]

Yes, I can prove that

1-I already proved God existence
2-I'll need to prove that Quran came from God
3-It is mentioned in Quran

You proved god's existence? Shit, was it on the news, must have missed that story. Cool, now you can win a Nobel Prize and take your findings to your local patient office.

Now see if you can spot the pattern.

1. I already proved the existence of Yahweh
2. I'll need to prove the Torah and Talmud came from Yahweh
3. Yahweh is mentioned in the OT.


Or.

1. I already proved the existence of the Christian God
2. I'll need to prove the Bible came from the Christian God
3. God is mentioned in the bible.

1. I already proved the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
2. I'll need to prove the Book of FSM came from the Flying Spaghetti Monster
3. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is mentioned in the book of FSM.

See how that works? It's called circular reasoning, it is bullshit logic, it does not work when you use it or they use it.

[WesOlsen]

freedomfromfallacy Wrote: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
— Qur'an, Sura 24

100 stripes, without compassion, witnessed by all, for [i]flirting![

Can you prove that those punishments are wrong?

That question makes little sense. That's basically like saying:
"Can you prove that your appreciation for tulips is wrong"
or
"Can you prove that your chair is dsgdfghhdnj?"

How can someone prove that a punishment is wrong? A punishment is not a factual occurence within the natural order, it requires a conscious decision to inflict justice and/or retribution. You agree on a punishment, you don't prove its authenticity per se, you simply reason for or against it. You cannot prove that the punishment is right unless you're making reference to a pre-existing legal framework that lays out rational foundations. If what you mean is "Can you prove god didn't issue this punishment?" or "Can you prove that the punishment is wrong in the context of the existing islamic legal framework?" then we'd be on to something. In which case we'd all say the probability that a god issued that ruling is 0.00000000000000000000000001%, and that the islamic legal framework is dated, poorly reasoned and deeply unpopular with non-muslims. Can you prove to me that you're not completely mentally retarded? Because I strongly suspect that you are.

[Muslim Scholar]

freedomfromfallacy Wrote: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
— Qur'an, Sura 24

100 stripes, without compassion, witnessed by all, for [i]flirting![

Can you prove that those punishments are wrong?

That question makes little sense. That's basically like saying:
"Can you prove that your appreciation for tulips is wrong"
or
"Can you prove that your chair is dsgdfghhdnj?"

How can someone prove that a punishment is wrong? A punishment is not a factual occurence within the natural order, it requires a conscious decision to inflict justice and/or retribution. You agree on a punishment, you don't prove its authenticity per se, you simply reason for or against it. You cannot prove that the punishment is right unless you're making reference to a pre-existing legal framework that lays out rational foundations. If what you mean is "Can you prove god didn't issue this punishment?" or "Can you prove that the punishment is wrong in the context of the existing islamic legal framework?" then we'd be on to something.

Agree
What I mean is that some people try to use things like that to disprove Islam, it doesn't

In which case we'd all say the probability that a god issued that ruling is 0.00000000000000000000000001%, and that the islamic legal framework is dated, poorly reasoned and deeply unpopular with non-muslims.

Can you prove that

Can you prove to me that you're not completely mentally retarded? Because I strongly suspect that you are.

Based on your beliefs, you are a mutation of non-intelligent process, so claiming to be intelligent is a stupidity by itself.

[Brian37]

What I mean is that some people try to use things like that to disprove Islam, it doesn't

In your head it doesn't.however in realty god's are products of human imagination, not just your pet poofdaddy.

Now again see if you can spot the pattern.

"What I mean is that some people try to use things like that to disprove Jewish faith, it doesn't"
"What I mean is that some people try to use things like that to disprove Christianity, it doesn't"
"What I mean is that some people try to use things like that to disprove Hinduism, it doesn't"
"What I mean is that some people try to use things like that to disprove Buddhism, it doesn't"
"What I mean is that some people try to use tings like that to disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it doesn't"

You can argue with atheists all you want, but maybe you should debate Christians and Jews because you are the ones with the competing claims, atheists think all of you are full of shit.

[Cinjin]

I have seen worse in Afghanistan and Iraq in person. The smell and images are burned into my memories. It is horrible what people do to each other due to different beliefs.

It is a fact that you must live with it
It is also horrible what God will do to non-believers in the hereafter.

No surprise there. Your god is horrible.

Thankfully, your god and Santa Clause both live in the same place ...

[Muslim Scholar]

What I mean is that some people try to use things like that to disprove Islam, it doesn't

In your head it doesn't.however in realty god's are products of human imagination, not just your pet poofdaddy.

I already proved the existence of God
and no one is able to refute the proof till now