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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 6:17 pm
(November 19, 2013 at 6:03 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: ...its an exit not an entrance.
Then are you also against suppositories?
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 6:25 pm
(November 19, 2013 at 4:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: You should take that advice and apply it to yourself and other atheist on this forum. Not all of the non-believing society agrees with you about homosexual activity, and that's a reality you need to take to heart, plenty of people see it as an unnatural act.
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 6:29 pm
(November 19, 2013 at 6:03 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: ...its an exit not an entrance.
Does this mean we can expect a Christian campaign to outlaw colonoscopies?
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Quote:I never understood why Christians are considered hateful just because we will not endorse what we consider to be a sinful sexual perversion.
Because its none of your fucking business what other people do that does not impact you in the slightest.
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Actually I'm with Chad. Christians should not be expected to approve of homosexuality.
But that's not the issue. The issue is that they should not be allowed to entrench that disapproval into law, or society at large.
I might not approve of black people. Or Mexicans. Or rednecks. But if that was the case, it would be profoundly fucked up for me to try to pass different laws for them, or to get elected on the platform that they are unnatural!
I suspect the sad truth is that homosexuality is a "safe" sin to rag on. Can't get too aggressive about adultary, or greed, or callousness. Might upset the audience and that is bad for the bottom line. But gays, you can denounce them all day long, everyone gets to feel appropriately outraged and self righteous. Very safe.
This is what happens when religion becomes big business.
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 7:03 pm
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2013 at 7:06 pm by Raven.)
Quote:Quote:I never understood why Christians are considered hateful just because we will not endorse what we consider to be a sinful sexual perversion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone asked for Christian endorsement. That is not the problem, the problem is Christian hatred, the relentless demonizing of people for loving who it is they love, and wanting the same recognition of the love they have for each other by the society in which they happen to live. The recognition that my wife and I were able to receive with no problem because we were fortunate enough to have been born straight. How the fuck is love ever sinful? [/quote]
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 7:05 pm
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(November 19, 2013 at 6:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I never understood why Christians are considered hateful just because we will not endorse what we consider to be a sinful sexual perversion.
Because its none of your fucking business what other people do that does not impact you in the slightest. This. Protesting against homosexuality because you think it's unnatural makes as much sense as picketing a doughnut shop because you're on a diet.
(November 19, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Raven Wrote: Quote:Quote:I never understood why Christians are considered hateful just because we will not endorse what we consider to be a sinful sexual perversion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone asked for Christian endorsement. That is not the problem, the problem is Christian hatred, the relentless demonizing of people for loving who it is they love, and wanting the same recognition of the love they have for each other by the society in which they happen to live that my wife and I were able to receive with no problem because we were fortunate enough to have been born straight. How the fuck is love ever sinful? [/quote]
It's not.
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 7:27 pm
(November 19, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I suspect the sad truth is that homosexuality is a "safe" sin to rag on. ( bold added by me)
Homosexuality was/is natural to our species, and it wasn't until some bronze age Middle-Easterners were caught off-guard by their attraction to the same sex, that they labeled a natural act (homosexuality) as 'sin' in the name of their god. I reject your code of ethics if you consider anything a 'sin'.
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Quite right, should have put sin in inverted commas.
If sin is:-
"an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law"
Then homosexuality is not a sin because it's not an immoral act.
Is the reason you don't consider anything a sin because you reject the concept of divine law?
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RE: Christians Endorse God's Hatred
November 19, 2013 at 7:40 pm
(November 19, 2013 at 7:35 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Is the reason you don't consider anything a sin because you reject the concept of divine law? If by "divine law" you mean, "God says so", the yes, I reject the entire concept.
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