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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm
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Actually, I have caused a woman to orgasm by stimulating her elbow  .
Op must have been doing it wrong.
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 1, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Oh, I've been known to do that using nothing other than the power of my voice whispering in her ear. Best results were obtained on a crowded public bus.
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 2, 2013 at 4:05 am
(December 1, 2013 at 11:01 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Oh, I've been known to do that using nothing other than the power of my voice whispering in her ear. Best results were obtained on a crowded public bus.
I did it over text chat once. The added bonus was that the woman involved was in private and had access to a vibrator and recording devices afterward.
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 2, 2013 at 11:51 am
(November 26, 2013 at 12:12 am)Natedeezy Wrote: Question.
I'll first say, I do not follow a particular religion, but I do believe in a creator or God or higher power or whatever you'd like to name it.
The reason I believe there is a creator is, there is so much intelligence within life, that it seems it points to the idea that it must have come from somewhere.
And the question I always ask people who believe in atheism is: Why does sex feel good?
Seems simple. But really, it's more complex that it may seem. Why is it that the area of the body that feels best when stimulated is also the area that is responsible for reproduction? For example, why isn't it the elbow that feels amazing and produces a feeling like an orgasm when rubbed? And why is it that we have hormones that make us horny? Well, it seems that the reason sex feels good and we have hormones that make us want to have sex is to give incentive to humans and animals to participate. And it just so happens that the result of sex is the continuation of life. If there is no God or creator or higher power, where does this intelligence come from? Where does ALL the intelligence in life come from, such as love and hate?
Isn't it possible that there is a God or whatever you'd like to call it, only it doesn't exist as a man in the sky or any form that most religions might describe it by that this intelligence originates from?
If you would have talked about consciousness and rather than intelligence then I could see your point, my own consciousness is mysterious to me I don't really know how to explain it.
But intelligence is explained by evolution, and sex.
Put simply, if there was an animal species magically put on this earth now who's elbows or other non reproductive parts of the body felt orgasmic when rubbed chances are these animals would die out without reproducing because they had been rubbing the wrong organs together, mean while animals that do have an overwhelming urge to rub their genitalia inside a females genitalia to the extent they will fight and endanger their own lives to do it will reproduce successfully .
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Quote:Let me ask you this. We perceive the world through our 5 senses, yet we understand that things exist outside the perception of our senses, dog whistles for example.
No idea if anyone had responded to You about this, but I will.
We have more than 5 senses. Have You ever been airborne? You have a sense of falling, gravity "and what have you". You have a sense of temperature. Unlike touch, which detects surfaces and shapes, You can detect how hot OW and how cold WOO something is. You have a sense of pain! You have a sense of balance! Have You ever stumbled about? Your body will react by counteracting an offsetting force.
Lastly, dog whistles are as sound just the same. Dog whistles produce sounds of high frequency. That means that the wavelength is tighter and less amplified. Our ears detect sound waves ranging from 20 to 20000 Hz (Hertz being cycles per second, a cycle being 1 complete process. For example, clapping my hands is 1 clap. Clapping my hands 5 times in 1 second is a frequency of 5 Hz).
This is much the same way our VISION is even limited to approximately 30 frames per second. If I add 4 frames in between frames 29 and 30... You might not see them!!
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 6, 2013 at 3:56 pm
I just had a thought to try and get a scale of how an atheist views things. So, to an atheist, if intelligence within life, such as evolution or the example about sex feeling good, doesn't prove the existence of a creator or God or higher power or whatever who created it, then I have a question. Say we live in a time after a catastrophic event, during which all knowledge of the past has been wiped out and the human race has restarted. Now, lets say while digging in the Earth, a human finds a perfectly preserved sharpie (bc there's one sitting in front of me). Through the eyes of an atheist, intelligence doesn't prove the existence of a creator. So, does this mean the existence of the sharpie (intelligent design), does not prove the existence of a creator of said sharpie? And that it's equally as believable that the sharpie just randomly came together ?
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Interesting example. Say the future person finds this Sharpie and determines that it bears the hallmarks of deliberate design and creation. He might decide that the pen, and the entire universe besides, is the work of a powerful yet undetectable deity and begin to worship him. Seems ironic to me.
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm
(December 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm)Tonus Wrote: Interesting example. Say the future person finds this Sharpie and determines that it bears the hallmarks of deliberate design and creation. He might decide that the pen, and the entire universe besides, is the work of a powerful yet undetectable deity and begin to worship him. Seems ironic to me.
I'm not asking what you think the individual would do, I'm asking if the metaphor is an accurate portrayal of atheism.
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
December 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm
(December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: I'm asking if the metaphor is an accurate portrayal of atheism.
It isn't, because "Through the eyes of an atheist, intelligence doesn't prove the existence of a creator" is incorrect. We recognize human design because we have seen human design. This future person would be intrigued by this Sharpie specifically because it stands out among the "uncreated" backdrop.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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