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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:11 am
(December 9, 2013 at 4:44 am)max-greece Wrote: Lion IRC Wrote:If a womans reproductive choices are hers alone and nothing to do with men, how come I have to pay taxes to support unmarried moms?
You really are such a loathsome creature.
Have it your way then - lets stop supporting those in need - its what Jesus wants I'm sure - and then lets watch that abortion rate really sky-rocket....
You're dead right about that! Abortions do skyrocket when people stop caring.
Should I care about what happens to unwanted babies or not?
You wanna know the one thing supporters of abortion-on-demand all have in common?
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN BORN!
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:13 am
Lion, have you ever, even once, ever responded to someone without making it a strawman?
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:29 am
(December 9, 2013 at 6:11 am)Lion IRC Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 4:44 am)max-greece Wrote: You really are such a loathsome creature.
Have it your way then - lets stop supporting those in need - its what Jesus wants I'm sure - and then lets watch that abortion rate really sky-rocket....
You're dead right about that! Abortions do skyrocket when people stop caring.
Should I care about what happens to unwanted babies or not?
You wanna know the one thing supporters of abortion-on-demand all have in common?
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN BORN!
So you answered your own question as to why you should be supporting unmarried mothers.
What you have not understood is that no-one "likes" abortion. It is the last ditch choice of the desperate and, I have no doubt, a fairly horrible thing to go through for the mother.
If, however, the choice is living an unloved, futile life whilst ruining the mother's life then it is the lesser evil.
In the meantime it might be a good idea to get yourself a copy of Freakenomics - where the link is made between legalized abortion and falling crime rates that happened during the 90's.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:36 am
The trouble with abortion is that, if you make it illegal, while not providing a cheap and efficient way to prevent undesired pregnancies, then people do it all the same.
For the most part, they'll do it and have no problems... but the few that run into complications then tax the health system which must care for them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... the US is different from Europe... no insurance, no health, you die... so... in the US, people... women would die, if abortion was illegal.
Reality sucks, sometimes.
I wish abortions were never necessary.
But people do need (or just feel the need) to resort to them... and they do, regardless of the legality of that action. So that action must be handled, somehow. In my opinion, Europe has come up with the best compromise, by allowing (and, in some cases, fully supporting) abortions up to a few weeks of gestation, while the fetus is a lump of cells visually indistinguishable from any other mammal and, according to a few studies, incapable of feeling anything.
Of course, state sponsored abortion as a contraceptive method must be, somehow, avoided, at least, for the health of the woman who should have, at most, two abortion in her lifetime. This leads to some taxation (increasing?) of repetitive abortions... flat out denial of service would only lead the woman to back-alley abortion and that just goes back to the same problem that is being tackled with the legalization of abortion.
Free condoms are distributed in Portugal... you just need to attend a short medical appointment on family planning... not everyone is up for that... Perhaps there's a better way to get the message out while providing everyone with the required protection...
It's a touchy subject, requiring a lot of compromises... I think just saying 'NO' is not an option... and just saying 'YES' is also too much.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:38 am
(December 9, 2013 at 6:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: Lion, have you ever, even once, ever responded to someone without making it a strawman?
I'm attacking supporters of abortion-on-demand.
Now, in order for you to claim that you are the victim of a straw man attack, you would need to show that you DON'T support the position I'm attacking.
Feel free to state your true position whenever you are ready.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:45 am
(December 9, 2013 at 6:38 am)Lion IRC Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 6:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: Lion, have you ever, even once, ever responded to someone without making it a strawman?
I'm attacking supporters of abortion-on-demand.
Now, in order for you to claim that you are the victim of a straw man attack, you would need to show that you DON'T support the position I'm attacking.
Feel free to state your true position whenever you are ready.
u know its u religious who r demanding 99.9 of the abortions??
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:48 am
(December 9, 2013 at 6:38 am)Lion IRC Wrote: I'm attacking supporters of abortion-on-demand.
Now, in order for you to claim that you are the victim of a straw man attack, you would need to show that you DON'T support the position I'm attacking.
Feel free to state your true position whenever you are ready.
It's not a matter of my position, because I'm not the one you responded to. But you did ignore the content of the post, seized on a few words toward the end, and twisted the entire message to attack, rather than defending the (rather ridiculous) statement which prompted the post in the first place.
If that's not a strawman, I don't know what is.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:56 am
(December 9, 2013 at 6:45 am)daandaan Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 6:38 am)Lion IRC Wrote: I'm attacking supporters of abortion-on-demand.
Now, in order for you to claim that you are the victim of a straw man attack, you would need to show that you DON'T support the position I'm attacking.
Feel free to state your true position whenever you are ready.
u know its u religious who r demanding 99.9 of the abortions??
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Your grammar makes the baby Jesus cry.
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 6:57 am
(December 9, 2013 at 6:29 am)max-greece Wrote: (December 9, 2013 at 6:11 am)Lion IRC Wrote: You're dead right about that! Abortions do skyrocket when people stop caring.
Should I care about what happens to unwanted babies or not?
You wanna know the one thing supporters of abortion-on-demand all have in common?
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN BORN!
So you answered your own question as to why you should be supporting unmarried mothers.
Of COURSE I answered it. It was a rhetorical question to highlight the gross hypocrisy of ppl who say that men have no business in a woman's pregnancy.
Quote:What you have not understood is that no-one "likes" abortion.
I beg to differ. It is a great convenience to millions of people every year.
Quote: It is the last ditch choice of the desperate and, I have no doubt, a fairly horrible thing to go through for the mother.
How come men who support abortion on demand are allowed to take part in the abortion debate but when a man opposes it, suddenly it's a hands-off topic for women only?
Quote:If, however, the choice is living an unloved, futile life whilst ruining the mother's life then it is the lesser evil.
Did you just use the word evil to describe abortion?
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RE: Atheists condone and condemn rape
December 9, 2013 at 7:02 am
How come men who support abortion on demand are allowed to take part in the abortion debate but when a man opposes it, suddenly it's a hands-off topic for women only?
That would be because men are not supporting abortion on demand, they are supporting the woman's right to decide if she has an abortion.
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Through power, I gain victory.
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