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What do you call a non follower of neither atheism or theism
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RE: What do you call a non follower of neither atheism or theism
(January 17, 2014 at 8:12 pm)It Is i Wrote:
(January 17, 2014 at 8:00 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: You can say all day long that you don't want to be labeled as a tall person, or a Muslim, but your attributes will still define you as a tall Muslim.

Precicely because those 'attributes' have been attached to the label. My entire point is... labels are LIMITING. Maybe the 'tall' person is actually 'fill in the blank' (something entirely otherwise), and can't be seen for what he truly is because he's had a label applied by others who want to corner him. BTW, I have no 'hang-up' or 'baggage' associated with labels - I simply 'reject' them.

ETA: Oops, did I just place a label on you? Limiting isn't it?

Both have excellent points. Simon is correct that attributes will result in some sort of categorization, humans do that. 'It is I' is correct in saying that this presents a limitation. What I'll add is that the actual limitation resides in the person prescribing the categorization. Is the label just used as a means of fact collecting, one among many? Or, does the labeler ignore other salient facts to draw conclusions based on limited information or stereotypes?
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#82
RE: What do you call a non follower of neither atheism or theism
(January 17, 2014 at 8:12 pm)It Is i Wrote: Precicely because those 'attributes' have been attached to the label. My entire point is... labels are LIMITING. Maybe the 'tall' person is actually 'fill in the blank' (something entirely otherwise), and can't be seen for what he truly is because he's had a label applied by others who want to corner him. BTW, I have no 'hang-up' or 'baggage' associated with labels - I simply 'reject' them.

ETA: Oops, did I just place a label on you? Limiting isn't it?

Human beings have many attributes. Calling someone tall because they're over 7' does not limit them, it only defines one of their many attributes as a human being.

If I met someone that is over 7' tall, I would not define their entire being based on the tall label that defines that one attribute (of many) the person has.

Nor does calling someone that does not believe in gods an atheist limit them. It only describes one of their many attributes as a human being.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#83
RE: What do you call a non follower of neither atheism or theism
(January 17, 2014 at 8:00 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: ....and is not a necessarily an accurate descriptor of me.
What is the "me" here? I think the thing that posted this is unnecessarily limiting my mind to a specific conception of what it is. I prefer to think of the thing that has posted this as a bundle of sewage processed by water treatment facilities and repackaged by its mother's womb. Why does the posting thing call the thing it is a "me" instead of a bundle of sewage? I don't like that label. I think this thing is being hypocritical. What is a "me" that my mind should refer to the thing that posted this as one?

What should I refer to the thing that posted this if my choice is not to refer to it as a me?


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RE: What do you call a non follower of neither atheism or theism
(January 17, 2014 at 6:41 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Do you believe in God/non-material reality beyond the physical world? If you answer yes then you're a theist or whatever else you are and if you answer no then you're a materialist, just the material natural world as you see it nothing else. You can still be open minded to the other possibilities a materialist as a theist can believe in God yet have some doubts. I'd materialism as seriously as I would take a belief in God or a religion, you choose a team and you stick with it. Someone will be right and someone will be mistaken.

So, your entire argument hinges on this desire you have that we define atheism and theism exclusively by the definitions you want to use, and not the definitions that they actually have. Your position is a dishonest word game, made by a person who either does not know, or does not care to know, what the words he bandies around mean, and I'm not going to play it.

You're wrong. I've explained to you what the words mean, and my definitions are present in the root words the terms are derived from. They are the most accurate one can get, and if you're just going to sit there and shake your head and have a tantrum whenever anyone uses the correct definitions in place of yours, then that's your problem, and not mine or anyone else's.

Words mean things. Stop trying to twist them to fit your dishonest argument.

Quote: Though perhaps you're not really all convinced by this atheism business? It's just more fashionable to claim and go along with, gives you some intellectual credibility perhaps, I think there quite lot of self claimed atheists like that around but they're not really buying into it.

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