Hello, Everyone.

[Edwardo Piet]

I welcome you to these forums.

NOTE: There are a lot of illogical atheists out there too of course, but your points still stand.

EvF

[TimeDivider]

My biggest problem with my fellow atheist is the pessimism and negative thinking/behaving.

It's called "experience."


People suck.
Theists really suck.

Indeed, but wouldn't be great if we all tried to suck just a little bit less?

What do you mean 'we' kemo sabe?


As it turns out,I tried that for about 35 years then got really sick of wasting my time. These days I seldom make the effort and have much deeper level of contentment. This is not always shared by those around me.

I actually kinda totally agree with Min.

Theists qualify as human. [with a certain generosity of spirit] . Humans as a species really suck. Therefore theists suck.


I don't just hate theists. I hate everyone equally. It seems less judgmental and saves so much time. Of course I do make exceptions. At last count there were 213.

I don't understand people like yourself. I can't stand identifying with atheists half of the time, simply because a vast majority of non-believers are completely self serving, and feel enlightened by their 'new found truth.' As a person of at least some semblance of reason, you owe your fellow man and society the best that you can give, because at the end of the day, all we have are each other, for better or worse.

Wake up and start doing something for society. Ok. You are an atheist, which means you aren't a complete wack job. This is great, now move on with your life. Its not enough to just sit around and "be an atheist." You have to start giving a shit, or we are all doomed.

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I welcome you to these forums.

NOTE: There are a lot of illogical atheists out there too of course, but your points still stand.

EvF

I remember when I first started realizing that. I just assumed everyone who was an atheist must be a super reasonable an level headed person. Poor 16 year old me when I realized that the notion was FAR from true.

[tackattack]

Welcome to the forums and I hope you enjoy your stay.

[Minimalist]

1. Poof! you now have a soul that will live forever
2. There is a man in the sky watching everything you do and he cares about you and has a plan for your life
3. By clasping your hands together you can make shit happen
4. If you believe, then when you die you will go to a place that magically has no pain or suffering where apparently you will have no memory of your atheist son who is burning in agony for all eternity in Hell
5. um, potlucks?

Yeah, Rhiz, but what kind of deluded fool falls for that collection of horseshit in the first place?

[tackattack]

potlucks are awesome !!

[Rhizomorph13]

1. Poof! you now have a soul that will live forever
2. There is a man in the sky watching everything you do and he cares about you and has a plan for your life
3. By clasping your hands together you can make shit happen
4. If you believe, then when you die you will go to a place that magically has no pain or suffering where apparently you will have no memory of your atheist son who is burning in agony for all eternity in Hell
5. um, potlucks?

Yeah, Rhiz, but what kind of deluded fool falls for that collection of horseshit in the first place?

LOL, me! For many years! I truely bit onto the notion that my parents wouldn't just make shit up. Therefore I built these ideas into my perception of reality and it was hard for me to let them go along with many other kooky notions my parents taught me.

Rhizo

[TimeDivider]

LOL, me! For many years! I truely bit onto the notion that my parents wouldn't just make shit up. Therefore I built these ideas into my perception of reality and it was hard for me to let them go along with many other kooky notions my parents taught me.

Rhizo

Which is evidence of one of they main reasons I am a non believer. Nobody can ever become Christian unless they are told about it. So in actuallity, there are two things you must do to get into heaven:

1. Be told about this whole Jesus thing
2. Accept Jesus as your savior.

But hey! What's one more thing right! Although the kicker is that part 1 isn't even up to you....sounds well thought out to me...

[Minimalist]

1. Poof! you now have a soul that will live forever
2. There is a man in the sky watching everything you do and he cares about you and has a plan for your life
3. By clasping your hands together you can make shit happen
4. If you believe, then when you die you will go to a place that magically has no pain or suffering where apparently you will have no memory of your atheist son who is burning in agony for all eternity in Hell
5. um, potlucks?

Yeah, Rhiz, but what kind of deluded fool falls for that collection of horseshit in the first place?

LOL, me! For many years! I truely bit onto the notion that my parents wouldn't just make shit up. Therefore I built these ideas into my perception of reality and it was hard for me to let them go along with many other kooky notions my parents taught me.

Rhizo

Yeah, Rhiz, but you grew out of it. As did most of us.

[Rhizomorph13]

Aw thanks Min,

I don't think that necessarily makes me any better but I do feel clearer-headed now that I have actually put some effort into my epistemic structure. It pains me to realize how little thought people put into something so basic to the human experience.

TD,

Apparently the bible says we have no excuse so my addled brain must be too broke to see God all around us:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hnohear.html

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities -- his eternal power and divine nature -- have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1.19-20)

By the way, I agree with you that to be a Christian one has to have been exposed to missionaries. If that were not the case, then God would have a stronger case than he currently does. For example if missionaries arrived somewhere in the deep dark places of the world and started talking about the gospel and the tribesman were all like, "Hey let me stop you there, we already know about Jesus! We're Mormons! some o' them people in 'other lands' that are mentioned in the bible!" it would mean that the message is actually from God and not just a bunch of crap made up to convince other people that society is good and should operate under the strict dictates of <insert law here>.

Rhizo

[Watson]

I'm definately not one to accept anyone's beliefs. To 'believe' something or have 'faith' is a mental disorder. Even if billions of people believe something is true, it can still be wrong. I want a world where the notion of a god is completely non existent. I'm something of an idealist, and understand this will never happen. My biggest problem with my fellow atheist is the pessimism and negative thinking/behaving. How are we going to help our friends and family out of their irrational beliefs if we ourselves seem plagued by our disbeleif? Its about setting an example. It is about showing the world how fulfilling it is to be free from religion, not how negative and caloused it appears to leave us.

Hey, welcome to the forums, TD! You'll get along just fine!

Oh, I'd like to introduce you to a friend of mine...


TimeDivider, meet Andrew Ryan. Andrew Ryan, meet TimeDivider.

I'm sure you'll get along just fine here.