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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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(March 1, 2014 at 2:41 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: So, I put it to you, do you have any empirical evidence that a soul exists?
Well a lot of people say they've been to heaven/hell, I don't hear stories of people dying and seeing nothing or another afterlife.
(March 1, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I can't comprehend that our conciousness can end. What does it feel like to not exist? I-I-I can't comprehend nothingness.
Well, what did you feel in the billions of years before you were born?
Yeah but there would be NOTHING after this life. Once we die, just...just...what?
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:45 pm
I once died and saw nothing... now u know someone... now what?
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:46 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:44 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Well a lot of people say they've been to heaven/hell, I don't hear stories of people dying and seeing nothing or another afterlife.
I think you are talking about near death experiences. And these are not considered evidence of anything. It has been proven that in NDEs lots of chemicals in the brain are released which cause these visions. And these visions are culturally similar. A muslim will see allah, a Christian will see god, and hindu may see Vishnu or ganesh.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:47 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:44 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Well a lot of people say they've been to heaven/hell, I don't hear stories of people dying and seeing nothing or another afterlife.
I think you are talking about near death experiences. And these are not considered evidence of anything. It has been proven that in NDEs lots of chemicals in the brain are released which cause these visions. And these visions are culturally similar. A muslim will see allah, a Christian will see god, and hindu may see Vishnu or ganesh.
But haven't people actually died? What about that 11 year old boy or something along those lines?
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:47 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:44 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Yeah but there would be NOTHING after this life. Once we die, just...just...what?
You won't care and you won't feel because you won't have a working brain to perform these activities.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:49 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:47 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But haven't people actually died? What about that 11 year old boy or something along those lines?
No, no one who has told their NDE has actually died, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to tell it. Their heart may have stopped but the brain can continue without oxygen for a while longer without damage and the person can be resuscitated without actually dying.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:49 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:49 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:47 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But haven't people actually died? What about that 11 year old boy or something along those lines?
No, no one who has told their NDE has actually died, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to tell it. Their heart may have stopped but the brain can continue without oxygen for a while longer without damage and the person can be resuscitated without actually dying.
So all those people have lied?
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:50 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I can't comprehend that our conciousness can end. What does it feel like to not exist? I-I-I can't comprehend nothingness.
Easy. What was 1850 like for you?
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:51 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:49 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: So all those people have lied?
Not necessarily. They could believe whole heartedly what they saw, but that doesn't make it true. I'm sure some of them lied and told their story to make lots of money, but the majority are just mistaken.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 2:52 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:50 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: (March 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I can't comprehend that our conciousness can end. What does it feel like to not exist? I-I-I can't comprehend nothingness.
Easy. What was 1850 like for you?
It wasn't like anything. But that all lead to me being concious. When I was born I felt life, that was the first moment of my existance. I can't even describe the confusion that involves me with this subject, I can't comprehend what it would feel like after you die. Is this life eternity to us?
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