Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!

[psychoslice]

I drank juice when I was a kid and I got meningitis. Not all kids who drink juice are going to get meningitis, but the danger is still there, where we are told there isn't any danger.

Well like peanuts that also can harm someone, there should be a warning on the product, and people can make up their own mind if they want it or not. With vaccines parents are made to feel they have to do it or their some type of monster if they don't.

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Yes of course everyone won't get mental illness, the same if you smoke, not everyone is going to get lung cancer, but the danger is still there, where we are told there isn't any danger.

Not the same.

There are large, in fact huge scale trials which show that vaccines are not a risk factor for mental illness.

And there is even more data that smoking is a strong predictor of lung cancer.

In simple terms, the danger is NOT there. The only danger, in fact, is from not vaccinating. Then there is a definite danger of Contracting a serious disease!

But how makes these findings, yes the very people who want you to be vaccinated, I think every free thinker knows that.

[KichigaiNeko]

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Very true. In fact, the person who started off telling me all this vaccine paranoia garbage, I think he was an atheist. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you can't believe in a whole other host of batshit conspiracy theories. He sounded like a liberal Alex Jones.

I actually got into an argument (also on FB) with a former schoolmate who was studying to become a nurse and who was passing along anti-vax stuff. I - and another of her friends - spent a lot of time posting studies refuting her shit (which consisted of one of those nice meme-style photos talking about the evils of Big Pharma/vax) with studies and sourced articles, and she eventually unfriended me.

Now, I know I can be a real asshole on this board, but I spent a good deal of time being VERY friendly to her trying to explain where she'd got it wrong, because if she was studying to be a nurse, I wanted her to actually take it into account.

It didn't much matter. It doesn't matter what approach you take with these people - when they want to keep their beliefs, they will cover their ears so they don't have to hear sense.

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Just got some news that my sister is going vegan...why?...because of a youtube video!

Youtube has some well-sourced videos as well as shite. I'd have asked who had made the video and what the reasoning was for going on the diet.

I did ask, and was not given an answer, only a defensive posture from her and her mum. The niece was vegetarian any way (Pilates instructor) and she has been like that most of her young life.

The 'video' was cited as the sole reason for going vegan. I am not privy to any more information, I just thought it was strange to base your life choices solely on some video on the internet.

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You are not the only one who is viewed as an arsehole because you ask questions SQ.

Anyway, her choice, her body, her reasons. Why do people get all defensive because you question what they are doing and why? Sheesh, next time won't show any interest at all.

[thesummerqueen]

Yes of course everyone won't get mental illness, the same if you smoke, not everyone is going to get lung cancer, but the danger is still there, where we are told there isn't any danger.

There isn't any. We're not told. It's been demonstrated time and again. Evidence, motherfucker, DO YOU HAVE IT?!

Well like peanuts that also can harm someone, there should be a warning on the product, and people can make up their own mind if they want it or not. With vaccines parents are made to feel they have to do it or their some type of monster if they don't.

If you had any reasonable grasp of germ theory, you'd understand that it is monstrous to decide you won't vaccinate your kids against horrifying diseases despite mounds of evidence to do so.

[Bad Writer]

Psycho, ever read the food labels? They will tell you if there are known allergens within. There is usually a note such as "Contains/may contain soy, dairy, gluten, nuts...etc."

Do some research; the benefits of vaccinating one's children and oneself greatly outweigh any perceived risks. Plus, if there is even the slightest chance that a child can develop autism from something such as the MMR vaccine (which has never been observed on a testable level), this kind of mental illness is vastly better (and manageable) than death. Yes, physical illness and death are real consequences from not getting vaccinated.

[psychoslice]

I don't really care what you think about if vaccines are right or wrong, all I know is that they were not meant for me, now get over it for Christ sake.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Aren't vaccinations "free"?
Why really discuss further?

[thesummerqueen]

I don't really care what you think about if vaccines are right or wrong, all I know is that they were not meant for me, now get over it for Christ sake.

Because people don't seem to realize that in the case of disease, not vaccinating yourself and your kids puts yourself AND others at danger. It's not just about YOU.

[Rayaan]

[Jacob(smooth)]

I don't really care what you think about if vaccines are right or wrong, all I know is that they were not meant for me, now get over it for Christ sake.

Sorry if it seems we're coming on a bit strong. The thing is, this is not like smoking or eating meat which is a personal choice, this does affect everyone. People read stuff on forums like this and they use what they read when formulating their views. . It's a bit more complex than "live and let live"

This is smallpox
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Nasty.

I've never seen it in the flesh. One of the great triumphs of public health, we eradicated The little Bastard.

Whereas this


Is polio. We got within an ace of irradicating this too, until an imam (may the fleas of a thousand camels infest his genitals) decided that it was a western plot to make Muslim men infertile. So it survived. And I saw a case of paediatric post polio system for the first time recently.

It's more than just arguing over research. This shit is real.

[Ben Davis]

But how makes these findings, yes the very people who want you to be vaccinated, I think every free thinker knows that.

Wrong. The 'people behind the research' (indicative of conspiratorial thinking!) are those who want to see reduction in human suffering due to illness; they are the research scientists, biologists, doctors, nurses, carers, families of those who've suffered and (yes!) the pharmacists (as if that were a bad thing!). That's what 'every' free-thinker knows.

Your views seem to be particularly coloured by your bias.