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Can love exist without hate?
#21
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm)tor Wrote:
(March 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: well shit, be more detailed and explain your question more.
evil in my opinion is also subjective because in the middle east with the Muslims, they believe it is good and just to behead traitors of that religion, as to the "sane" person, we think its evil.

That's great now I ask you again. Does evil exist?

i edited my post and added my final answer
xR34P3Rx
it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world.
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#22
RE: Can love exist without hate?
Ok then so god could create the world in which according to gods view evil does not exist. Does that solve problem of evil?
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#23
RE: Can love exist without hate?
Is it love if there is no hate weigh it against?
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#24
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 5:47 pm)tor Wrote: Ok then so god could create the world in which according to gods view evil does not exist. Does that solve problem of evil?

no
xR34P3Rx
it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world.
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#25
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 5:48 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote:
(March 23, 2014 at 5:47 pm)tor Wrote: Ok then so god could create the world in which according to gods view evil does not exist. Does that solve problem of evil?

no

But you said evil is just your opinion and somebody elses opinion can be different. How does it not solve the problem if gods opinion is different hen yours?

(March 23, 2014 at 5:48 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Is it love if there is no hate weigh it against?

So you are saying that he was right and good can not exist without evil? Is problem of evil solved?
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#26
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 5:49 pm)tor Wrote:
(March 23, 2014 at 5:48 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: no

But you said evil is just your opinion and somebody elses opinion can be different. How does it not solve the problem if gods opinion is different hen yours?

okay, explain the "problem" with evil.
xR34P3Rx
it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world.
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#27
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 5:51 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote:
(March 23, 2014 at 5:49 pm)tor Wrote: But you said evil is just your opinion and somebody elses opinion can be different. How does it not solve the problem if gods opinion is different hen yours?

okay, explain the "problem" with evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
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#28
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 5:41 pm)xr34p3rx Wrote: evil? explain your question, its irrelevant to the topic...
Actually, you're wrong. Tor is referring to a common argument for atheism called the "problem of evil," which to the best of my knowledge, has never been convincingly counter-argued by anyone arguing for theism. The argument is most often framed in some way like this:
Quote:Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
That is a trilemma called the Epicurean paradox, because those words are from Epicurus, who by the way, was a very interesting philosopher, especially in his day.
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#29
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 3:54 pm)tor Wrote: Could god design a world where love exists and hate does not and people are happy and nobody is getting tortured for 44 days and lit on fire at the end?
World with happiness and without suffering?
Does logic permit such a thing?
Certainly. If God exists and is omnipotent, he can do anything. He could perhaps create another opposite to love that is called 'fnerd' that goes on in a cave deep underground where nobody notices it. Or he could make it so that there needs to be no opposite to love.
He could have created a world where the concept of opposites do not exist.
I would wager its possible to create at least a hypothetical model of an atom that has only protons, and no neutrons. (Of course this is only a valid argument if you agree that neutrons and protons are the opposites of one another)
The way I see it, the problem is that the traditional concept of God lies beyond logic, which is a contradiction of sorts.






























































































































































































































































































































































































































































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#30
RE: Can love exist without hate?
(March 23, 2014 at 5:44 pm)tor Wrote: So the argument doesn't convince you but you can't find a response to it either?
No, but I haven't searched hard for it before, because I do not find it convincing. If it bothers you this much, though, for fuck's sake, do the fucking research you intellectually lazy bum.
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