The redneck strike again.

[Cyberman]

Leaving alone the fact that this statistic is "Intuitional science" (vis shit you made up) there is another problem with this.

Sorry but 24 years spent in medical places tell that what i have seen it is not due to intuitional science but to experience which is much better than your guessing.

The thing about "medical places" is that invariably the patient is lhe least placed to know what's going on.

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One thing however that it is important to say about homo sapiens
is that he only masturbate his penis unlike some people today that masturbate their brains.

Ricky, for the love of all that's precious, please post a warning next time you're going to say something so astoundingly ironic. I very nearly choked on my cheese-and-corned-beef sandwich.

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And on a related note...

I just can't take it all in at once....

... that caption + that picture = instant threadwin. Plus a whole load of potential baby Stimbos flying about.

[Cyberman]

I NEED YOUR HELP
HELP PLEASE.

Now this is the single most honest thing you've ever posted here. The sheer, primal desperation in those shouty caps and compensatory font size is very revealing,

[James2014]

You argue that B12 can be obtained from soil bacteria. Do you have any evidence to support the idea that this is a reliable source of B12? No

I think you need to get updated about the b12.
It looks like your information relate to what the rednecks are saying.

http://www.roylretreat.com/articles/b12.html


In fact, contrary to meat and dairy industry propaganda, meat-eaters are known to be more likely to have a vitamin B12 deficiency - this has been known since 1959!!

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/b12issue.html

Those links contain some very dangerous advice. You need to evaluate your sources. Where is the evidence in those links? What are the credentials of those making the claims? This article pretty thoughly debunks those claims... http://jacknorrisrd.com/response-to-vega...is-a-myth/

In the first article you posted the author is one Dr Vivian V. Vetrano. What is she a doctor of? It says on the website she has a hMD? What is that?

In fact there are many documented cases of vegans becoming B12 deficient http://veganhealth.org/b12/cases Additionally this study shows that vegans can have significantly lower B12 than omnivores, with 78% of vegans being deficient in b12, compared to 0% in omnivores. This demonstrates the importance of B12 supplementation, and the damage that you are causing by propagating such nonsense

http://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/12827

[Angrboda]

In the first article you posted the author is one Dr Vivian V. Vetrano. What is she a doctor of? It says on the website she has a hMD? What is that?

"Holistic Medical Doctor" (*) In other words, his authority is a quack.

In 1982, a federal court jury awarded over $800,000 to the survivors of William Carlton, a 49-year-old man who died after undergoing a distilled water fast for 30 days at Shelton’s Health School. An article in the Los Angeles Times stated that Carlton had died of bronchial pneumonia resulting from a weakened condition in which he lost 50 pounds during his last month of life. The article also noted that he was the sixth person in five years who had died while undergoing treatment at the school [2]. Shelton and his chiropractic associate, Vivian V. Vetrano, claimed in their appeal that Carlton had persisted in fasting after Dr. Vetrano had advised him to stop. However, the verdict was upheld by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court declined further review.

— Quackwatch: A Critical Look at "Natural Hygiene"
(She is President of "the American Natural Hygiene Society")

Vivian Virginia Vetrano is allegedly a chiropractor with special skills and knowledge in holistic medicine and alternative medical treatment. For many years, she operated – together with her son-in-law and daughter Gregory and Tosca Haag – the Rest of Your Life (ROYL) Retreat in La Vernia, Texas, where they offered fasting and other “natural hygiene” approaches. Natural hygiene is an offshoot of naturopathy (described and assessed in detail here) based on fallacious appeals to nature, and which is in direct opposition to most medical treatments, advocating instead (a) eating a “raw food” diet of vegetables, fruits, and nuts, (b) periodic fasting, and (c) “food combining”, i.e. avoiding food combinations Vetrano et al. considers detrimental. That, of course, is a bad idea, and Vetrano has predictably enough been involved in lawsuits following the deaths of patients with curable conditions, such as this one. She is still a hero of the raw food movement, it seems.

— Encyclopedia of American Loons: Dr. Vivian Vetrano

((*) Maybe "Homeopathic Medical Doctor" or "Hygiene Medical Doctor" (As in the school of natural hygiene.) In one place, she appends "D.Sc." after her name.)

She appears to be a doctor of chiropractic.

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Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) is a degree of chiropractic for chiropractors in North America. Chiropractors practice chiropractic medicine, a health care profession concerned with the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of disorders of the neuromusculoskeletal system and the effects of these disorders on general health.[1] Chiropractors emphasize manual and manipulative therapy for the treatment of joint dysfunctions. Chiropractic is generally classified as complementary/alternative medicine.[2]

In some countries it is a professional doctorate where training is entered after obtaining between 90 and 120 credit hours of university level work (see second entry degree) and in most cases after obtaining a Bachelors Degree. The World Health Organization lists three potential educational paths involving full‐time chiropractic education across the globe. This includes: 1 – 4 years of pre-requisite training in basic sciences at university level followed by a 4 year full‐time Doctorate program; DC. A 5 year integrated bachelor degree; BSc (Chiro). A 2 - 3 year Masters degree following the completion of a bachelor degree leads to the MSc (Chiro).[1] In South Africa the Masters of Technology in Chiropractic (M.Tech Chiro) is granted following 6 years of university. No less than 4200 student/teacher contact hours (or the equivalent) in four years of full‐time education. This includes a minimum of 1000 hours of supervised clinical training.[1] Health professionals with advanced clinical degrees, such as medical doctors, can meet the educational and clinical requirements to practice as a chiropractor in 2200 hours, which is most commonly done in countries where the profession is in its infancy.[3]

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1975 Dr. Shelton, Dr. Vetrano, and many others set up 1,660 acres in Pearsall, Texas, chartered to become "Sheltrano," an Hygienic Community and College. It is a long story of intrigue and dark happenstance that takes place. And the project finally folds with much loss to many.

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hygl...idwell.htm

Herbert Shelton — husband — and an announcement for a "Natural Hygiene" lecture.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Enrico, you poor, pitiful, misguided idiot. Homo sapiens are omnivores. For fucks sake.

Homo sapiens was eating meat when his natural food was not available.
At the same time he was also picking his nose and masturbate.
One thing however that it is important to say about homo sapiens
is that he only masturbate his penis unlike some people today that masturbate their brains. :):confused-fall::)

I wonder who you mean :thinking:

[Angrboda]

Moar.

"Natural Hygiene Practitioners Settle Wrongful Death Suit"

In 2006, survivors of Dennis G. McDaniel filed suit against Gregory Haag, Tosca Haag, and Vivian V. Vetrano charging that their treatment has resulted in McDaniel's death. For many years, according to their Web sites, the trio operated the Rest of Your Life (ROYL) Retreat in La Vernia, Texas, where they offered fasting and other "natural hygiene" approaches. The suit charged that McDaniel's death [at age 55] was triggered by two weeks of complete fasting followed by two more weeks of severe dietary restriction. Vetrano, who is Haag's natural mother, claimed she was merely a visitor to the retreat, but the court ruled that that should be decided by a jury. The plaintiffs then filed an amended complaint (shown below), but the case was settled before trial. The settlement terms are not in the court record, but a recent fundraising appeal states the trio "was left with $150,000 in lawyers' fees and $1,000,000 in a high interest loan."

http://www.casewatch.org/civil/vetrano/complaint.shtml

Even moar!

Dr. Vetrano re-emphasizes the conclusions of both men: “Good nutrition is very often master of heredity. And many Health Seekers who have had so-called ‘genetic diseases’ have recovered, employing fasting followed by an uncooked diet of fresh fruits, vegetables, and nuts and seeds. Supply the body with the correct diet and with all the requisites of life, and it is possible that even genetic errors, damaged genes, and mishaps at birth (congenital defects) may be corrected fully or to some extent.”

http://victoriasbedrockteachings.wordpress.com/

"(Natural) Hygienists object to the germ theory of disease because germs do not cause disease. They may be present in disease processes, and they may complicate a disease with their waste products which can be very toxic at times, but the germ or virus alone is never the sole cause of disease." - Dr. Virginia V. Vetrano

http://rawlivingfoods.typepad.com/1/2006..._ca_1.html

And she's anti-vaccination as well! http://www.doctorbob.com/vd--smallpox-dr-vivian.html

[James2014]

"Natural Hygiene Practitioners Settle Wrongful Death Suit"

The settlement terms are not in the court record, but a recent fundraising appeal states the trio "was left with $150,000 in lawyers' fees and $1,000,000 in a high interest loan."

http://www.casewatch.org/civil/vetrano/complaint.shtml

Yikes! I guess that is why she charges $200 an hour for a telephone "consultation". http://www.roylretreat.com/vetrano.html

[Jacob(smooth)]

Sigh. I'm in the wrong business. I can't get paid £200 an hour to consult and I have a proper grown up degree in a real live proper medical specialism!

[Chas]

So non-sequitor may apply to this thread that does not follow the original
topic.

*non sequitur

[Little Rik]

If you guys say that man is omnivore then we are very similar to lions
and tigers, right?

So are you saying that man is very similar to giraffes and koala bears?

You know whatever that you really open up my mind.
After your reply i have been thinking very hard.
Well if man is not similar to lions and tiger then he must be similar to giraffes and koalas.
After more thinking it came in my mind that i must be wrong and you are right so the fact that i salivate at the sight of a ripe fruit means that there must be something wrong with me.
And then i have been thinking at the fact that the grass in my garden never grows and the leaves in my eucalyptus tree are disappearing all the time so i decided to put a camera that could find out what happen in the night when i am sleeping.
Surprise, surprise.
I just could not believe what i saw.
I saw few men grazing like cows eating the grass.
And then i saw another man climbing on my eucalyptus tree
and eating the leaves.
Gee, now i realize how right you are.
We are herbivore and leaves eater.
Of course we are.
Now come the hard thing because i will have to apologize to you.
Yes I DO APOLOGIZE Whatever.
Will you accept my apologies?
Please accept them.