Probably the most hilarious anti-atheist argument I've ever seen.

[Cyberman]

Well, yeah, we can talk about the attributes of unicorns too, but that doesn't mean they actually exist!

Sure about that?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

That's fine, but your own ranks are guilty of the same. When a discussion on god's attributes isn't going well for the atheist, other atheists will jump in and ask for proof that god exists, as if his attributes can't be discussed absent such proof.

Here is a recent example of what Alpha male describes from this very forum.

No, it seems no god set anything up.

Instead of continuing to discuss God's attributes(with the atheists losing it), another atheists jumps in and attempts to steer the discussion towards one of God's existence.

Well to be fair, is there a point discussing the attributes of something that doesn't exist (owing to lack of any sort of evidence)?

I don't think its possible for an atheist to 'lose it' (???) when discussing the unproven and unverifiable assertions of someone else.

But please, feel free to either prove a gods existence (whatever a god is) or indeed prove its attributes. Failure resides in both camps so I don't think any of us really care. I see this point has been made over already so there's no need to rehash it, I guess.

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Well, logically speaking, it does make sense to discuss whether a god even exists BEFORE we discuss its alleged attributes.

When you discuss God's attributes there is an implied assumption( an assumption which only exists for the sake of argument) that said God does exists.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

We can ALWAYS discuss the attributes of something without implying that it exists, but that's not precisely the point.

Atheists do not generally assign attributes to gods. That is the province of believers. What atheists and our arguments do is attempt to point out that the attributes assigned to gods by the godists are self-contradictory, internally inconsistent, not in synch with what we know about the world, and so forth.

In other words, it is the theist who says, 'My god is omnipotent, omniscient, merciful, just, immutable, vengeful, ineffable and loving', while it is the non-theist who points out the brain-wobbling recto-cranial inversion needed to believe such a thing.

If you lot want to shut atheists up (or at least attempt to do so) start from the position, 'The god I believe in has no attributes whatsoever.'

Boru

addendum: Good to see you, oro. Howaya, mate?

[cromwell]

[truthBtold]

We can ALWAYS discuss the attributes of something without implying that it exists, but that's not precisely the point.

Atheists do not generally assign attributes to gods. That is the province of believers. What atheists and our arguments do is attempt to point out that the attributes assigned to gods by the godists are self-contradictory, internally inconsistent, not in synch with what we know about the world, and so forth.

In other words, it is the theist who says, 'My god is omnipotent, omniscient, merciful, just, immutable, vengeful, ineffable and loving', while it is the non-theist who points out the brain-wobbling recto-cranial inversion needed to believe such a thing.

If you lot want to shut atheists up (or at least attempt to do so) start from the position, 'The god I believe in has no attributes whatsoever.'

Boru

addendum: Good to see you, oro. Howaya, mate?

Attributes of natural... not supernatural

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

We can ALWAYS discuss the attributes of something without implying that it exists, but that's not precisely the point.

Atheists do not generally assign attributes to gods. That is the province of believers. What atheists and our arguments do is attempt to point out that the attributes assigned to gods by the godists are self-contradictory, internally inconsistent, not in synch with what we know about the world, and so forth.

In other words, it is the theist who says, 'My god is omnipotent, omniscient, merciful, just, immutable, vengeful, ineffable and loving', while it is the non-theist who points out the brain-wobbling recto-cranial inversion needed to believe such a thing.

If you lot want to shut atheists up (or at least attempt to do so) start from the position, 'The god I believe in has no attributes whatsoever.'

Boru

addendum: Good to see you, oro. Howaya, mate?

Attributes of natural... not supernatural

Sorry, what?

Boru

[Justtristo]

So I'm in this one religious argument on another site, and my opponent just made me lol. I won't say any names, but his argument, revised by me for grammar, is as follows:

"I just hate the ones that say God is a dick, douche, or tyrant, because how can he be any of those things if he doesn't exist?"

My response was simple.

"How can Darth Vader be a tyrant if he doesn't exist?"

Fictional characters have attributes just as much as real people. Just because Darth Vader doesn't exist, doesn't mean he isn't a tyrant. And, just because God doesn't exist, doesn't mean he isn't a douche.

I am fully convinced now that human stupidity is the only infinite thing so far observed in the universe or multiverse.