Atheists choose hell

[The Valkyrie]

SO, you concede that your all-knowing deity creates people knowing he's going to torture them forever.

Again, why would such an evil being be worthy of respect, let alone worship?

Because they are the ones that choose hell, and he gives them life allowing them to make the choice for themselves instead of never giving it to them.

How can they choose hell, when your deity is the one sending them there, knowing they will go there.

That makes NO sense.

[Stephanie]

All your deity needs to do is make an appearance and/or provide testable evidence of its existence. According to the OT people could barely leave their houses without god appearing to them, sending angels or providing signs.

Yet now, as our knowledge advances, it refuses to do such things.

The people he appeared to were already faithful. He will not appear to a non-believer because they first have to allow him into their heart. If he just appeared to everyone people would choose to accept him out of fear, not love. He leaves the choice to you without intervention.

[Minimalist]

I found her fucking car.

[Chad32]

Atheists why won't you realize God allows you to CHOOSE to go to hell? He gives everyone free will to make whatever decision they so desire. Therefore he allows you to not believe in him and choose eternal damnation. God is all loving, he hates to see his children go to hell, yet for us to truly feel any happiness evil must exist and we must be allowed to choose it over good. Otherwise we would be mindless robots, not capable of joy or sadness. God gave us the greatest gift imaginable, use it as you will. And please choose God's free love gift.

Thanks Steph. I'm not sure what kind of hell you personally believe in, but I sometimes wonder why the only other option we're given is sometimes described as unending burning torture. I also sometimes wonder if Mary and Jesus actually had free will, since they were sinless. Or if people have free will in Heaven, since that's also a place without sin. Those are the kinds of questions that come to mind when people bring up free will when trying to explain why people sin.

Christianity doesn't seem to be as clear cut as the believers want people like me to believe it is. I guess that's just my disconnection with Jesus talking.

[Stephanie]

Because they are the ones that choose hell, and he gives them life allowing them to make the choice for themselves instead of never giving it to them.

How can they choose hell, when your deity is the one sending them there, knowing they will go there.

That makes NO sense.

Just because he knows they will go there does NOT mean he is sending them there. They are choosing on their own, and he allows them to make the choice. What is better, to not even let them choose? To let them never even experience free will?

[The Valkyrie]

All your deity needs to do is make an appearance and/or provide testable evidence of its existence. According to the OT people could barely leave their houses without god appearing to them, sending angels or providing signs.

Yet now, as our knowledge advances, it refuses to do such things.

The people he appeared to were already faithful. He will not appear to a non-believer because they first have to allow him into their heart. If he just appeared to everyone people would choose to accept him out of fear, not love. He leaves the choice to you without intervention.

And there's a demonstartion of your ignorance of atheists.

Many WERE faithful believers. Many, I would also suggest, were far more devout than you.

So we come into a vicious circle: All-knowing god creates people it knows it will send to hell, many of whom believe in it. Deity refuses to provide the evidence of its existence, even when asked by those faithful. Faithful give up belief in deity. Deity sends them to hell.

Again, why is this deity worthy of worship.

And don't play the "They weren't real Christians" card. Because that's just ignorant.

[Stephanie]

Atheists why won't you realize God allows you to CHOOSE to go to hell? He gives everyone free will to make whatever decision they so desire. Therefore he allows you to not believe in him and choose eternal damnation. God is all loving, he hates to see his children go to hell, yet for us to truly feel any happiness evil must exist and we must be allowed to choose it over good. Otherwise we would be mindless robots, not capable of joy or sadness. God gave us the greatest gift imaginable, use it as you will. And please choose God's free love gift.

Thanks Steph. I'm not sure what kind of hell you personally believe in, but I sometimes wonder why the only other option we're given is sometimes described as unending burning torture. I also sometimes wonder if Mary and Jesus actually had free will, since they were sinless. Or if people have free will in Heaven, since that's also a place without sin. Those are the kinds of questions that come to mind when people bring up free will when trying to explain why people sin.

Christianity doesn't seem to be as clear cut as the believers want people like me to believe it is. I guess that's just my disconnection with Jesus talking.

It is the only other option because if you deny God the only thing remaining is pure evil. hell. Mary was not sinless, she was a human being like the rest of us. As for Jesus, he was litterally God. If God has free will is a whole other debate. And we will have free will in heaven, a true believer would not sin there.
It is clear cut, you simply need to open your heart to it.

[The Valkyrie]

How can they choose hell, when your deity is the one sending them there, knowing they will go there.

That makes NO sense.

Just because he knows they will go there does NOT mean he is sending them there. They are choosing on their own, and he allows them to make the choice. What is better, to not even let them choose? To let them never even experience free will?

When all it takes is providing some testable evidence, something an all-powerful deity is capable of without even thinking about it? That's ridiculous.

[Losty]

Atheists why won't you realize God allows you to CHOOSE to go to hell? He gives everyone free will to make whatever decision they so desire. Therefore he allows you to not believe in him and choose eternal damnation. God is all loving, he hates to see his children go to hell, yet for us to truly feel any happiness evil must exist and we must be allowed to choose it over good. Otherwise we would be mindless robots, not capable of joy or sadness. God gave us the greatest gift imaginable, use it as you will. And please choose God's free love gift.

Don't come here disgracing my name with this bullshit! I insist you change your name immediately!

[Stephanie]

The people he appeared to were already faithful. He will not appear to a non-believer because they first have to allow him into their heart. If he just appeared to everyone people would choose to accept him out of fear, not love. He leaves the choice to you without intervention.

And there's a demonstartion of your ignorance of atheists.

Many WERE faithful believers. Many, I would also suggest, were far more devout than you.

So we come into a vicious circle: All-knowing god creates people it knows it will send to hell, many of whom believe in it. Deity refuses to provide the evidence of its existence, even when asked by those faithful. Faithful give up belief in deity. Deity sends them to hell.

Again, why is this deity worthy of worship.

And don't play the "They weren't real Christians" card. Because that's just ignorant.

He doesn't provide evidence because it would violate free will. And you weren't true Christians because a true Christian would never doubt God. Perhaps you were at one point, but clearly you allowed Satan into your heart.