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What would it take for you to believe in God?
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 (April 29, 2014 at 9:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)te1148 Wrote: Do you only believe in things that have testable evidence? Do you believe in hope, joy, love, courage? If so, what is the testable evidence of these things?  (April 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)te1148 Wrote: Do you only believe in things that have testable evidence?I only accept things as fact that have testable evidence. This is axiomatic with extraordinary claims.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<---  (April 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)te1148 Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Beccs Wrote: To get me to believe? Testable evidence. Yes. Why would I believe in something for which there is no evidence, especially when eternity apparently hinges on it? Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"  (April 29, 2014 at 9:10 pm)te1148 Wrote: Do you believe in hope, joy, love, courage? If so, what is the testable evidence of these things? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12030820 Comes from your brain, bro.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<--- (April 29, 2014 at 9:10 pm)te1148 Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:06 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Why would you believe in something for which you have no evidence? Strawman. We can see the effects of emotions by monitoring changes in the brain. And I know where the next question will then lead to. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" (April 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm)Beccs Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm)te1148 Wrote: Do you only believe in things that have testable evidence? How would you know if you are rightly judging the evidence if you saw it? (April 29, 2014 at 9:16 pm)te1148 Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm)Beccs Wrote: Yes. Why would I believe in something for which there is no evidence, especially when eternity apparently hinges on it? Reiterate: Testable. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"  (April 29, 2014 at 9:10 pm)te1148 Wrote: Do you believe in hope, joy, love, courage? If so, what is the testable evidence of these things? Leaving aside the physical evidence you've already been presented with in the form of brains scans, those emotions are also fairly universal among humans, something that- cutting you off before you make an argument from popularity- god is not. You guys can't even agree on the basics of your god, and not everyone has any kind of subjective experience with it as a concept, so it's not in the same ballpark.
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What would it take for me to believe? The bare minimum would be anything at all that might suggest such things as gods exist. Realistically, it will never happen because I don't really do "belief". if I suspect something, I will go an find out what the deal is and see if the thing I suspect to be true may indeed be true, but at the point where I confirm that suspicion it's not belief but knowledge.
As it stands, I suspected there were no gods, so I did my research looking for proof of gods, reasons there might be gods, reasons people might invent gods, why people would want to believe in gods if they didn't exist, etc., so I don't "believe" there are no gods, I "know" there are no gods as much as I "know" I am writing this crap to you. And that's leaving space there for the possibility that I might be dreaming right now, or similar mad reasons I might not actually be writing this. Too small to count for anything. |
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