Benghazi: What's the Charge Again?

[Heywood]

You...
Are...
A...
Hypocrite!

When you have to resort to insults.....its another sign that you've lost an argument. You don't even know my positions on the 2nd Iraq war or the Clinton's impeachment. I'm falling for your insult baited red herring.

If we had a discussion in 2002, I would have told you that Bush's was just using WMD as a cover story to sell a war....that he had ulterior motives. Yes Bush was lying to the public. Not necessarily lying about WMD but lying about the reasons for escalating the quasi-war(that raged throughout the 90s under Clinton) into a full blown military campaign(subject for another thread so I won't go into details). Democrats have good cause to call Bush out for lying.....and they should.

Did I support the war? Yes for several reasons that had nothing to with WMD. A primary reason for supporting the war was the fact that Saddam was an evil monster....A monster that was created/enabled at least partially by the USA. We had a moral obligation to remove him.....even if doing so would result in the shedding of some of our own blood. We don't need to be the worlds cop....but in this instance...we did.

One difference between you and me DP....is you are a lockstepper who buys into left leaning hate peddling. We got-em on the right too. You've been brainwashed and you don't even know it. Me? My eyes are open....I see ugly everywhere I look.

[DeistPaladin]

When you have to resort to insults.....its another sign that you've lost an argument.

Wrong. It's perfectly acceptable to call out an opponent for lying, being hypocritical or other insults directly related to the arguments presented. The ad hominem is an insult used in place of an argument, not in addition to the argument itself.

You have never presented any strong evidence that there was an intent to deceive and the GOP's sanctimonious claims that any lies are intolerable are clearly pretexts for a political agenda. Even if you personally agree that W should have been impeached, you are still supporting the hypocrisy and not calling it out for what it is. As one concerned with honesty, you should do so.

One difference between you and me DP....is you are a lockstepper who buys into left leaning hate peddling. We got-em on the right too. You've been brainwashed and you don't even know it.

Was that a personal insult you just resorted to?

[Rampant.A.I.]

Lol @ Heywood telling anyone they're brainwashed and don't know it.

[Heywood]

Wrong. It's perfectly acceptable to call out an opponent for lying, being hypocritical or other insults directly related to the arguments presented. The ad hominem is an insult used in place of an argument, not in addition to the argument itself.

You didn't do this. You assumed I would defend Bush and the GOP and proceeded to insult me for doing it. If it is not an ad hominem then it is certainly a straw man argument. You've been taught by your brainwashers to believe that anyone who is conservative doesn't look at things with a critical objective eye.

[A Theist]

Dude! It was like, a cover up! An email has surfaced which reveals that some at the White House lied about the Benghazi terrorist attacks to prop up Barack in the presidential election, and then they tried to cover up the cover up. The administration knew early on that the attacks on our consulate in Beghazi was the result of a terrorist attack and not because of a spontaneous reaction due to an anti-muslim video on you tube as alledged by former UN ambassador Susan Rice. If this had been a Republican president involved the left would have been screaming for his impeachment.....

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-docu...hite-house

New documents reveal Benghazi cover up emanated from White House

...a Sept. 14, 2012 email indicates that Ben Rhodes, the White House Deputy National Security Advisor, told Rice to emphasize the YouTube video angle rather than the attack's al-Qaeda-connection during her appearances on five Sunday morning news shows.

Prior documents have shown that U.S. Department of Defense officials on the night of the violent attack told the Obama White House that the Benghazi killings and destruction was perpetrated by Muslim terrorists possibly linked to one of al-Qaeda's branches.

Rhodes urged Rice “to underscore that these protests are rooted in an internet video, and not a broader failure of policy,” the emails reveal.

[DeistPaladin]

You didn't do this. You assumed I would defend Bush and the GOP and proceeded to insult me for doing it. If it is not an ad hominem then it is certainly a straw man argument. You've been taught by your brainwashers to believe that anyone who is conservative doesn't look at things with a critical objective eye.

No, I've been taught by experience. If you didn't vote for Bush in 2004 and called for his impeachment, then you are the first Republican I have ever known who has done so and I apologize. I still have yet to see any conclusive evidence that Obama lied but I will retract what I said about you, though the charge of hypocrisy still applies to the GOP.

[DeistPaladin]

If this had been a Republican president involved the left would have been screaming for his impeachment.....

I haven't had a chance to review your evidence yet but I will take issue with your last statement. What do you base that on?

Personally, while I value honesty, not all lies are equal and warrant the same punishment. Clinton lied about the blow job he got in the Oval Office. I think that warranted congressional censure and a fine for perjury since he was under oath at the time. Obama, if the allegations are true, supposedly lied about whether the attack was part of a demonstration or an Al Qaida sponsored attack, which also warrants congressional censure. W Bush lied us into a war of aggression, costing hundreds of thousands of lives, which warrants impeachment and prosecution in an international court of law.

[Heywood]

No, I've been taught by experience. If you didn't vote for Bush in 2004 and called for his impeachment, then you are the first Republican I have ever known who has done so and I apologize. I still have yet to see any conclusive evidence that Obama lied but I will retract what I said about you, though the charge of hypocrisy still applies to the GOP.

Of course there is hypocrisy in the GOP. If you don't see it, that's a good sign you've been brain washed. Same is true for them Dems. If you don't see the hypocrisy from the left....you've been brainwashed.

[DeistPaladin]

Of course there is hypocrisy in the GOP. If you don't see it, that's a good sign you've been brain washed. Same is true for them Dems. If you don't see the hypocrisy from the left....you've been brainwashed.

Of course there's corruption, deception and hypocrisy in all corners in Washington, DC. It's the nature of power and politics, unfortunately, and eternal vigilance is required to keep them honest, no matter the affiliation.

What burns me up is how there's a complete double-standard. Anthony Wiener, for example, is an intolerable narcissist who sent lewd pictures of himself in behavior unbecoming of an elected official. I won't for a moment defend this man, no matter how much he may have fought for progressive causes. Yet, Republican Sen. Vitter is still in office. IOKIYAR seems to be the rule these days.

Whether you support it or not, the GOP and their supporters do flip back and forth on the issue of the investigation of wrongdoing based on which party is in power at that time. The main stream media, contrary to charges of "liberal bias", plays right along with it. When Bush lied us into a war, the word "lie" was suddenly and strictly forbidden. When allegations about Obama's supposed "lie" about Obamacare were bandied about, the media jumped on the bandwagon, saying "Obama lied" without any fact checking or perspective.

I'm just asking for the same rules to apply to both parties.

[A Theist]

[quote='A Theist' pid='664403' dateline='1399300157']

W Bush lied us into a war of aggression, costing hundreds of thousands of lives, which warrants impeachment and prosecution in an international court of law.

That's bull...to begin with, there's such an anti-American bias world wide that no American would stand a fair chance in an international Kangaroo Court. We can take care of our own. Secondly, if you're going to bring Bush up on charges over Iraq then you're also going to have go after Congress, Tony Blair, the British Parliament, the CIA, Britain's MI-6, and so on...They all saw the same MI-6 report that said Iraq had WMDs. A decision to go into Iraq was based on that report. Congress agreed, the British Parliament agreed, Tony Blair agreed, and so did some of our other allies. Just because Bush made a decision based on a British intelligence report that Blair brought to him doesn't prove he lied.

On the otherhand, I can't even begin to imagine that those so close to the President would keep him in the dark over what really happened in Benghazi....if Barack was truly in the dark over the events in Benghazi then Congress should find some way to impeach him for lack of experience and lack of leadership. IMO, I think Barack knew very early on that the attacks in Beghazi were terrorist attacks. I believe he lied, and I believe he knew of a cover up to hide the lie.