Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 23, 2024, 5:22 pm
Atheist Forums › Community › Atheism v
Is atheism a belief system in someway?

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
Is atheism a belief system in someway?
Neo-Scholastic Offline Donators
Donator
*****
Religious Views: Non-denominational Christian
Posts: 8711
Threads: 128
Joined: March 1, 2012
Reputation: 54
#21
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 10:44 am
(May 5, 2014 at 10:30 am)whateverist Wrote:
(May 2, 2014 at 12:32 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Honestly, I tend not to buy what most of my fellow atheists say about atheism in regards to this.


Well okay. All atheists agree that the following is true of themselves:

"I do not believe in the existence of gods."

Checkmate atheists? Wink

It is more like you've defined the set of all the beliefs held in common by atheists. Does the definition of the set belong in the set? Lets say it does. Then the question becomes are there any other beliefs all atheists share in common other than the one which qualifies them as an atheist. Check.

"All believers are wrong." Check.
Find
Reply
Mister Agenda Offline Donators
Donator
*****
Religious Views: Rational skeptic
Posts: 10731
Threads: 15
Joined: September 9, 2011
Reputation: 119
#22
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 12:02 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 10:44 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 5, 2014 at 10:30 am)whateverist Wrote: It is more like you've defined the set of all the beliefs held in common by atheists. Does the definition of the set belong in the set? Lets say it does. Then the question becomes are there any other beliefs all atheists share in common other than the one which qualifies them as an atheist. Check.

"All believers are wrong." Check.

How did you derive that from the post on which you're commenting?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Find
Reply
Clueless Morgan Offline
Keeper of the Black Spot
****
Religious Views: X-Files made me an atheist
Posts: 6120
Threads: 64
Joined: June 5, 2013
Reputation: 65
#23
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 4:46 pm
Quote:Is atheism a belief system in someway?

The short answer:




The long answer:


Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
Find
Reply
Whateverist Away Donators
Known religious sympathizer/accomodationist
*****
Religious Views: Be civil or die!
Posts: 23918
Threads: 300
Joined: June 25, 2011
Reputation: 151
#24
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 5:07 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 10:44 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 5, 2014 at 10:30 am)whateverist Wrote: It is more like you've defined the set of all the beliefs held in common by atheists. Does the definition of the set belong in the set? Lets say it does. Then the question becomes are there any other beliefs all atheists share in common other than the one which qualifies them as an atheist. Check.

"All believers are wrong." Check.

Not everyone will agree with that. Just because I don't believe something for which there is no unambiguous evidence doesn't mean I must endorse your statement. If I recognize that I myself hold beliefs which are in the same boat, I'm in no position to argue that those who believe what I do not are wrong.
Find
Reply
Ben Davis Offline
Tea and Biscuits Man
***
Religious Views: Irreligious
Posts: 2281
Threads: 16
Joined: January 17, 2010
Reputation: 69
#25
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 5:37 pm
(May 2, 2014 at 11:35 am)Doggey75 Wrote: I don't claim to know if God exist or not.
This bit is the 'agnostic'...
Quote: But I don't believe God exist.
...this bit is the 'atheist'...
Quote: But I believe God does not exist.
...and this bit is one of the definitions of 'anti-theist' a.k.a. 'strong atheist' a.k.a.'gnostic atheist'. By claiming that 'there is no god', claiming knowledge, you're taking a position which is in opposition to theism rather than just having an absence of it. This definition of anti-theism is a subset of atheism.

The difference seems quite subtle, linguistically, however the inferences of the positions are drastically and obviously different.
Sum ergo sum
Find
Reply
Neo-Scholastic Offline Donators
Donator
*****
Religious Views: Non-denominational Christian
Posts: 8711
Threads: 128
Joined: March 1, 2012
Reputation: 54
#26
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 7:56 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 5:07 pm)whateverist Wrote:
(May 5, 2014 at 10:44 am)ChadWooters Wrote: "All believers are wrong." Check.

Not everyone will agree with that. Just because I don't believe something for which there is no unambiguous evidence doesn't mean I must endorse your statement. If I recognize that I myself hold beliefs which are in the same boat, I'm in no position to argue that those who believe what I do not are wrong.
I say that makes you an agnostic. Actual atheism takes the further step of claiming that religious beliefs are wrong.
Find
Reply
Rampant.A.I. Offline
The sky looks pissed
***
Religious Views: Agnostic
Posts: 1946
Threads: 17
Joined: February 6, 2014
Reputation: 18
#27
Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 8:28 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 7:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 5, 2014 at 5:07 pm)whateverist Wrote: Not everyone will agree with that. Just because I don't believe something for which there is no unambiguous evidence doesn't mean I must endorse your statement. If I recognize that I myself hold beliefs which are in the same boat, I'm in no position to argue that those who believe what I do not are wrong.
I say that makes you an agnostic. Actual atheism takes the further step of claiming that religious beliefs are wrong.

Sure, in the same way that "I don't believe your claim that Jeff Goldblum climbs up the latticework outside your bathroom window and watches you shower every night" is a claim.
Find
Reply
Coffee Jesus Offline
attained the Jesus state
Religious Views: atheist
Posts: 577
Threads: 18
Joined: April 11, 2014
Reputation: 8
#28
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 5, 2014 at 11:43 pm
(May 5, 2014 at 10:44 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 5, 2014 at 10:30 am)whateverist Wrote: It is more like you've defined the set of all the beliefs held in common by atheists. Does the definition of the set belong in the set? Lets say it does. Then the question becomes are there any other beliefs all atheists share in common other than the one which qualifies them as an atheist. Check.

"All believers are wrong." Check.

Tautology doesn't count.
Find
Reply
psychoslice Offline
Banned
Religious Views: they have no proof
Posts: 1702
Threads: 8
Joined: March 9, 2014
Reputation: 9
#29
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 6, 2014 at 12:45 am
Of course there are belief systems within atheism, just as there are different belief system within any group of people, those who believe in a god also have other beliefs other than religion or god.
Find
Reply
Coffee Jesus Offline
attained the Jesus state
Religious Views: atheist
Posts: 577
Threads: 18
Joined: April 11, 2014
Reputation: 8
#30
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 6, 2014 at 12:52 am (This post was last modified: May 6, 2014 at 12:55 am by Coffee Jesus.)
Atheism may lead to certain beliefs, such as belief in abiogenesis or belief in the value of secular ethics. Of course we will share certain beliefs in common.
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Community › Atheism v
Is atheism a belief system in someway?

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  How do I deal with the belief that maybe... Just maybe... God exists and I'm... Gentle_Idiot 75 8907 November 23, 2022 at 5:34 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Belief in God is a clinic Interaktive 55 7604 April 1, 2019 at 10:55 pm
Last Post: LostLocke
  Is atheism a belief? Agnostico 1023 108831 March 16, 2019 at 1:42 pm
Last Post: Catharsis
  Do you know that homeopathy doesn't work, or do you just lack belief that it does? I_am_not_mafia 24 6225 August 25, 2018 at 4:34 am
Last Post: EgoDeath
  Why don't some people understand lack of belief? Der/die AtheistIn 125 26085 April 20, 2018 at 7:15 am
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  Objective morality as a proper basic belief Little Henry 609 182645 July 29, 2017 at 1:02 am
Last Post: Astonished
  Atheism VS Christian Atheism? IanHulett 80 30405 June 13, 2017 at 11:09 am
Last Post: vorlon13
  A loose “theory” of the dynamics of religious belief Bunburryist 6 1855 August 14, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Last Post: Bunburryist
  Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three) Little Rik 3049 458224 April 11, 2016 at 8:38 am
Last Post: Little Rik
  Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do? Neo-Scholastic 259 44271 April 3, 2016 at 10:56 am
Last Post: robvalue



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)