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Is atheism a belief system in someway?
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(May 7, 2014 at 8:10 pm)whateverist Wrote:(May 7, 2014 at 6:14 pm)Chas Wrote: Don't be silly. Of course if one rejects the belief in any gods, then one considers religion and its claims as bullshit. All of the god claims lack evidence, therefore the religions upon which they're based are absurd. Your insistence that I have a burden of proof there is absurd.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method. RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 10, 2014 at 10:22 am
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2014 at 10:34 am by BlackMason.)
(May 2, 2014 at 11:42 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: All you need to do to establish atheism is a belief system is to find two beliefs all atheists agree on because they're atheists. Atheism is a belief like off is a TV channel or like not collecting stamps is a hobby. Sorry mate but atheism ain't a belief. (May 2, 2014 at 11:47 am)Napoléon Wrote:(May 2, 2014 at 11:35 am)Doggey75 Wrote: I don't claim to know if God exist or not. But I believe God does not exist. I beg to differ. The first sentence is agnostic atheism. Gnosticism and agnosticism are positions on belief. Being a gnostic is a claim to knowing and being an agnostic is the opposite, not knowing. Atheism and theism are positions on belief. To be atheist is to not believe in the existence of deities and theism is the belief in them. Gnosticism/Agnosticism and Atheism/Theism are not mutually exclusive. So you can get a gnostic atheist. The claim there is that the person knows that gods don't exist. I think this position is as irrational as theism. The OP expresses a lack of knowledge in the beginning of both sentences. They are the same and amounts to agnosticism. The second part of the first sentence amounts to a disbelief in gods. This is atheism. The second sentence is consequentially the same although worded differently. Result: Both sentences are agnostic atheism.
8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
(May 2, 2014 at 11:43 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Agnosticism has to do with knowledge. So that statement would be: I don't know if a deity exists. I thought Atheist meant does not accept the existence of a deity and agnostic meant a person was undecided about the existence of God(s). So to me the agnostic atheist is a contradiction. Here's another thought: Even if there is a God, I don't need God to explain anything that exists. God is irrelevant to my life. So there! (May 10, 2014 at 11:04 am)Deepthought Wrote: I thought Atheist meant does not accept the existence of a deity and agnostic meant a person was undecided about the existence of God(s).No, that's what some theists want you to believe Seriously though, this conflation of definitions is one of the mechanisms used to misrepresent atheists. Quote:So to me the agnostic atheist is a contradiction....and it seems to have worked, in your case! In fact, neither being an agnostic atheist nor being an agnostic theist is a contradiction. In the case of the former, one is uncertain about the existence of god but doesn't believe; in that of the latter, one is uncertain about the existence of god but believes. No contradiction in either case.
Sum ergo sum
Atheism, in my opinion, is a state of mind.
Üze Tengri basmasar, asra Yir telinmeser, Türük bodun ilingin törüngin kim artatı udaçı erti?
If you really want to piss off an atheist tell them the truth. Atheism leads inexorably toward nihilism, whether they accept it or not. So in the end, they're really just nihilists
RE: Is atheism a belief system in someway?
May 12, 2014 at 11:46 pm
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(May 12, 2014 at 11:41 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: If you really want to piss off an atheist tell them the truth. Atheism leads inexorably toward nihilism, whether they accept it or not. So in the end, they're really just nihilists If you really want to piss of an atheist, lie about them. Generalise about them, and repeat religious propaganda about them. Yeah, that works. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" (May 12, 2014 at 11:41 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: If you really want to piss off an atheist tell them the truth. Atheism leads inexorably toward nihilism, whether they accept it or not. So in the end, they're really just nihilists If you really want to piss off a theist tell them the truth. Theism leads inexorably toward sophistry, whether they accept it or not. So in the end, they're really just sophists
Obviously what Mr. Wooters has experienced must be generalizable to everyone. Why live your own life when Chad stands ready to tell you how it all turns out anyway. Where would we be without self appointed experts to spare us the chore of thinking or living for ourselves[/sarcasm]
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