Believers!! Don't mislead people

[Losty]

Yea I will call you a troll.

Dishonest about beliefs from the start secretly just wanted a chance to "prove" Islam really is the one true religion.

:yawn: next

[FatAndFaithless]

Yea I will call you a troll.

Dishonest about beliefs from the start secretly just wanted a chance to "prove" Islam really is the one true religion.

:yawn: next

I realized that after pages of Koran quotes...trying to validate the Koran. Shoulda seen it coming.

[ShaMan]

Stumbling blocks are as common and unique as individuals.

[Muslim Atheism]

An infidel is way down on the scale according to the Quran. Where do you sit?

What system did you used to decide that I am an infidel ?

From the Quran, an infidel is those who intentionally disobey the prohibitions in the Quran; ie. the "DO NOT"
both "Actus reus" (guilty action) and "mens reas" (guilty mind) must be existed; ie. the "iman" and "amal"
these two must existed before one can be an infidel

For example. . .

And DO NOT eat

of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
and that is most surely a transgression
and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends
that they should contend with you

and if you obey them

you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists <- ie. Muhammad is not a Muslim
(6:121)

Muhammad is not a Muslim if he intentionally disobey one "simple prohibition" not to eat that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned

even though. . .

he believe in Allah . . .

. . . recite shahada perfectfully
. . . knows and speaks well in arabic
. . . perform salah
. . . pray in mosque
. . . pray every night to Allah
. . . perform hajj
. . . fasting for his entire life
. . . dzikr.. and never say bad things about people
. . . pay zakat and sadaqah all his property in the cause of Allah
. . . go to jihad and sacrifice himself to Allah
. . . study carefully all the revelations...
. . . and... bla... bla... bla...
. . . you name it, as one of the most righteous person ever lived...

Intentional disobedience, you're done. . not a Muslim.
Because Allah says "DO NOT"
and it doesn't matter small or big prohibitions...
It is also the same with Adam, "do not eat from this tree", they ate (unintentional). . done.

Because Muslim is about "obedience", Islam is a contract to obey Allah
Any intentional disobedience, is a breach of contract. . .they become the Munafiqoon or Mushrikeen etc.

Similarly. . . those who follow inconsistent hadith and against the rules in the Quran can be the infidels.

Say, "Bring forward your witnesses <- including through the alleged narrators
who will testify
that Allah has prohibited this."

And if they testify <- including by way of hadith

DO NOT testify with them
And DO NOT follow the desires of those who deny Our verses
and those who do not believe in the Hereafter
while they equate [others] with their Lord
(6:150)

[TubbyTubby]

There are mane# stages for one to reach that level, and it must be based on evidence, not through self claiming

#main?
You really don't see the hypocrisy do you?

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In my world, I would say you are 'talking bollocks'. That is my 1st hadith. Remember it.

[Muslim Atheism]

You really don't see the hypocrisy do you?

So you are resorting to ad hominem and fallacy ? That's the best you can do ?

Try prove your contention through facts and reasoning . . If you want to speak about Islam, we speak about Islam.

[TubbyTubby]

TubbyTubby 1:1:1 He whoeth speaks like his belief in any other god is true (but mine) but really just has a mental disorder will fuck off and quit repeating these hadiths.
TubbyTubby 1:1:2 There are no more rules. Fuck off and grow up.

[Muslim Atheism]

TubbyTubby 1:1:1 He whoeth speaks like his belief in any other god is true (but mine) but really just has a mental disorder will fuck off and quit repeating these hadiths.
TubbyTubby 1:1:2 There are no more rules. Fuck off and grow up.

Okay, I stop here because now you start behaving like little kids. .

You will cry, bang your head, pull out your hair and blame people when you cannot get what you want
not much difference from your childhood, really.

It is just in different forms, but it is the same issue. . .
you want that "chocolate", even if your parents cannot afford them. . good luck.

[Losty]

TubbyTubby 1:1:1 He whoeth speaks like his belief in any other god is true (but mine) but really just has a mental disorder will fuck off and quit repeating these hadiths.
TubbyTubby 1:1:2 There are no more rules. Fuck off and grow up.

Okay, I stop here because now you start behaving like little kids. .

You will cry, bang your head, pull out your hair and blame people when you cannot get what you want
not much difference from your childhood, really.

It is just in different forms, but it is the same issue. . .
you want that "chocolate", even if your parents cannot afford them. . good luck.

You came here and you lied about your intentions but we have you the benefit of the doubt. You asked for evidence through verses from the Quran and they were provided to you. You refuse to accept the evidence and continue claiming the Quran is good. Then you say you can't prove it's wrong nana nana nana.
I can read you bullshit passages out of any book and say they are true. The only truth blah blah blah. Okay we call bullshit.

Give real evidence not from the Quran or stfu.

[Muslim Atheism]

You came here and you lied about your intentions but we have you the benefit of the doubt. You asked for evidence through verses from the Quran and they were provided to you. You refuse to accept the evidence and continue claiming the Quran is good. Then you say you can't prove it's wrong nana nana nana.
I can read you bullshit passages out of any book and say they are true. The only truth blah blah blah. Okay we call bullshit.

Give real evidence not from the Quran or stfu.

Where did I lie ? I involving in logical discussion for verifying the truth in any contentions. . . through valid logical premises and cross-examinations

and My nick is "Muslim" , and Islam is about not believing God and Religion

Islam is an Atheist but not like today's Atheist who belongs to some sort of sectarianism and always criticizing other religions, in facts worst than religious peoples

Islam and Muslim is an Atheist who promote freedom of religion and don't criticize other religions, but they fight against sectarianism. They fight for unity within diversity.

They fight and killed sectarians during Muhammad, ie. those who are promoting sectarianism and wars.

That is Islam from the Quran.

and here is my siggy

Muslim Atheism is a theological position in which the belief in god, religion and the allegorical are ignored or rejected, but the system of life and practical teachings of the Quran are followed.

and I prove every contentions through the main source, according to proper methodology. .

This is the definition of Islam

Islam (/ˈɪslɑːm/;[note 1] Arabic: الإسلام‎, al-ʾIslām IPA: [ælʔɪsˈlæːm] ( listen)[note 2]) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion articulated by the Qur'an, a book considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God[1] (Arabic: الله‎ Allāh) and by the teachings and normative example (called the Sunnah and composed of hadith) of Muhammad (c. 570 CE – c. 8 June 632 CE), considered by them to be the last prophet of God. An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim; Wikipedia

Islam is about the doctrine in the:

1. Quran
2. Sunnah

The priority between the Quran and Sunnah is decided through the Islamic Jurisprudence, ie. it must follow the principles from the main source of Islam. . ie. the Quran, the Constitution

The followers of Islam is called Muslim.

Islam (ideology) is not Muslim (followers), and Muslim is not Islam.

So. . where did I lie ?

If my interpretations are wrong, prove it through the direct sources of Islam. If you do not understand what is Islam, find a dictionary and see what is Islam.