Why I Don't Believe in Atheism

[Fidel_Castronaut]

staff review complete and the OP has now been escorted from the building. Thread is now reopened for an actual debate as opposed to walls of text with no regard for conversation

Fidel

[LastPoet]

Thread reopened now that the issue was dealt with.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Ninja'd you back! :p

[pocaracas]

Well... what's the point of the thread, now?

[LastPoet]

To discuss our disbelief in atheism, duh.

Or someone could hijack the thread.

[Losty]

We need better toys...these ones lately suck.

[pocaracas]

We need better toys...these ones lately suck.

Actually, the toys that suck aren't within reach...

[Losty]

We need better toys...these ones lately suck.

Actually, the toys that suck aren't within reach...

What? Lol

[Thumpalumpacus]

Or someone could hijack the thread.

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Or someone could hijack the thread.

[paulpablo]

For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.

And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed because if it (they) had then by definition there would have been an be an infinite regress of cause and effects, so you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened. And self-contradictorily, you would never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity, thus never reaching this point of existence now.

Therefore, by this evidential reasoning, I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God. Logical, since we know the uncreated Creator exist, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself personally. The initial caveat is that God is not self-contradictory so only one religion can be the correct one.

I never saw this thread when it first opened so I want to reply to it now even though the guy is banned for whatever reason.

Your answer to the problem of who created the universe is just as illogical as an eternal universe.

According to what you see around you things need to be created so you assume there needs to be an uncreated creator outside of space and time.

But then this replaces one thing which seems by common sense to be illogical with even more things that seem to be illogical.

Now you have a god which was uncreated, how? A thing which can exist without space, again illogical. Something which manages to enact a process which by definition requires time, for the to be a creation there needs to be a time before the creation and after and the process in between.

Someone else has probably said all this but i felt the need to get this down because I hate this argument for god and I've seen it on a lot of youtube videos, it's the same type of argument you see on the ancient aliens programs where they said things like "We don't understand the historical timeline of how the pyramids were build so aliens definitely came down here and moved the massive blocks with their spaceships" .