Something For Jesus Freaks to Get Their Knickers In A Twist About

[Cato]

The point I was making is that it's good to look at the author's previous before reading it.

Understand and agree. I mischaracterized what you had to say then, seemed dimissive at first glance.

$35 is steep. I was going to recommend the library. I just tried to place a hold on a copy in the Queens library system, but couldn't find a copy so I have doubts about smaller collections.

[Minimalist]

Hmm:

"Richard Cevantis Carrier is an atheist activist, author, frequent public speaker, and blogger. He is a trained historian and one of the leading current proponents of the Christ myth theory."

Looks like he has an agenda.

Would you expect to see such a book posted at Isuckjesuscock.com?

BTW, which jesus freak web site posted that "analysis?"

[Diablo]

Hmm:

"Richard Cevantis Carrier is an atheist activist, author, frequent public speaker, and blogger. He is a trained historian and one of the leading current proponents of the Christ myth theory."

Looks like he has an agenda.

Would you expect to see such a book posted at Isuckjesuscock.com?

BTW, which jesus freak web site posted that "analysis?"

Is that a real site? Don't tell me.

I think it said wiki. I can't be bothered to look, tbh.

[Minimalist]

Yeah, it was Wiki. That was not foot-noted....of course so it could from any foaming at the mouth jesus lover.

Carrier's dissertation was “Attitudes Toward the Natural Philosopher in the
Early Roman Empire (100 B.C. to 313 A.D.

which most theists couldn't pronounce...let alone comprehend.

[GayAtheist]

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/on-the-h...909697492r

The assumption that Jesus existed as a historical person has occasionally been questioned in the course of the last hundred years or so, but any doubts that have been raised have usually been put to rest in favor of imagining a blend of the historical, the mythical and the theological in the surviving records of Jesus.

Carrier re-examines the whole question and finds compelling reasons to suspect the more daring assumption is correct. He lays out extensive research on the evidence for Jesus and the origins of Christianity and poses the key questions that must now be answered if the historicity of Jesus is to survive as a dominant paradigm.

Carrier contrasts the most credible reconstruction of a historical Jesus with the most credible theory of Christian origins if a historical Jesus did not exist. Such a theory would posit that the Jesus figure was originally conceived of as a celestial being known only through private revelations and hidden messages in scripture; then stories placing this being in earth history were crafted to communicate the claims of the gospel allegorically; such stories eventually came to be believed or promoted in the struggle for control of the Christian churches that survived the tribulations of the first century.

Carrier finds the latter theory more credible than has been previously imagined. He explains why it offers a better explanation for all the disparate evidence surviving from the first two centuries of the Christian era. He argues that we need a more careful and robust theory of cultural syncretism between Jewish theology and politics of the second-temple period and the most popular features of pagan religion and philosophy of the time.

For anyone intent on defending a historical Jesus, this is the book to challenge.

This just moved to the top of my reading list.

You are basically insulting the ancient people. Books like these try to disprove that the greek gods, egyptian gods, sumerian gods were a hoax. And that our ancient people were stupid and couldn't tell the difference between a flying dragon (likely a space ship) vs a ficticious thing.

I believe the gods of the past that the ancients saw, were physically here on this planet. Modern science tries to claim everything to be legend. I say legend has fact in them, but the powers that be want to keep everyone in the dark.

[Minimalist]

Fuck the ancient people. They are dead.

YOU, OTOH, are fair game.

[governmentIsGOD]

Don't worry, in a thousand years when technology and spirituality merges as one.

The people of the future will look back at the 21st century and say the same thing "fuk those atheists of the 21st century, they knew nothing of the technology the ancients had and we're now re-discovering it"

[Minimalist]

Gone so soon, dickhead?