Devil's advocate..

[lifesagift]

Ok, show me the light here if you will....

We have the human rights legislation, and we apply it liberally.

But say we were the Islamic state and we sanctioned a human rights act (admittedly much different), but islam as a political solution does also promote peace and loyalty. So where and how is the western version more... right?

[FatAndFaithless]

islam as a political solution does also promote peace and loyalty.

What. Where did you get that idea.

[Minimalist]

Like, say, this?

http://www.newser.com/story/196384/isis-...-post.html

The United Nations says Islamic State militants have publicly killed a rights lawyer in the Iraqi city of Mosul after finding her guilty of apostasy in a self-styled Islamic court. The UN Assistance Mission in Iraq says Samira Salih al-Nuaimi was seized from her home on Sept. 17 after allegedly posting messages on Facebook that were critical of the militants' destruction of places of worship in Mosul. According to the UN mission, al-Nuaimi was tried in a so-called "Sharia court" for apostasy, after which she was tortured for five days before the militants sentenced her to "public execution."

Fuck 'em. And allah.

[lifesagift]

islam as a political solution does also promote peace and loyalty.

What. Where did you get that idea.

Oh come on, it's more than a religion, and there are many peaceful surahs

[Aoi Magi]

but islam as a political solution does also promote peace and loyalty

It does? And what does it say about "human rights" exactly? especially when considering women? And if you're talking about cherry picking the moral bits, then who decides what to include or exclude?

As for it's benefits, well it would pretty much be the same as if you get all your moralities from the bible....

And lastly, our "western version" can be changed with time when needed, words written in religious books don't allow that flexibility.

[FatAndFaithless]

What. Where did you get that idea.

Oh come on, it's more than a religion, and there are many peaceful surahs

Are..are you serious? Using Islam as a guide for laws is how you end up with Saudi Arabia.

[lifesagift]

Ok, let's stop right there !

Quoting atrocities as proof is not a proof.. There are billions of muslims that don't want heinous crimes committing in their name.

I'm on your side guys, I'm an atheist and want so much for the world to wake up to the facts and be peaceful.
But my point is more the mundane, if muslims want to make law that chops hands off for theft, are they wrong? we have the death penalty.. I suppose I'm looking for qualifiers.. why are we right and them wrong?

[Minimalist]

There are billions of muslims that don't want heinous crimes committing in their name.

But they stand by and watch.

[Aoi Magi]

But my point is more the mundane, if muslims want to make law that chops hands off for theft, are they wrong? we have the death penalty.. I suppose I'm looking for qualifiers.. why are we right and them wrong?

Because a death-penalty is still more humane than chopping off hands and crippling someone for the rest of their lives.

[FatAndFaithless]

Are you genuinely putting forward the moral relativistic position or are just looking for ways to counter it?