What/Who created God?

[tavarish]

I've been giving this one some thought.

Here's what I've found:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics...d_god.html

"How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence."


This makes no sense at all.

God does not operate under cause and effect, as he is timeless, but he willed something into existence,which is something that only works as a causal construct.

It all sounds like a case of special pleading to me.



I'd like to hear the best explanation of why an infinite regress is not possible, and preferably one that does not negate the qualities or necessity of the God in question at the same time.

[Minimalist]

It's their fairy tale. They can write whatever they like.

[theVOID]

I've been giving this one some thought.

Here's what I've found:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics...d_god.html

"How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence."


This makes no sense at all.

God does not operate under cause and effect, as he is timeless, but he willed something into existence,which is something that only works as a causal construct.

It all sounds like a case of special pleading to me.



I'd like to hear the best explanation of why an infinite regress is not possible, and preferably one that does not negate the qualities or necessity of the God in question at the same time.

It's absolutely special pleading - one of the three that all theological arguments boil down to, Ignorance, wishful thinking and special pleading.

[tavarish]

So yea. Any theists wanna chime in?

[Pastor Ezequiel Davis]

The answer is: no one. God has existed for all eternity and He will exist for all eternity. His existence is beyond space and time as we humble people can perceive it. He is all knowing and all powerful in past, present and future.

[Purple Rabbit]

The answer is: no one. God has existed for all eternity and He will exist for all eternity. His existence is beyond space and time as we humble people can perceive it. He is all knowing and all powerful in past, present and future.

How did you verify all this? Or are you just another mystery lover that'll believe anything without evidence for it?

And if god can exist forever than why can't nature?

Take your time, do some praying, curse me to hell with all what's in you, but just don't make it circular. I hate circular.

[downbeatplumb]

The answer is: no one. God has existed for all eternity and He will exist for all eternity. His existence is beyond space and time as we humble people can perceive it. He is all knowing and all powerful in past, present and future.

And you know this because?

[Darwinian]

It says so in the Bible...

[Purple Rabbit]

It says so in the Bible...

Are you feeling circular today...?!
Boy, how I hate that.

[tavarish]

The answer is: no one. God has existed for all eternity and He will exist for all eternity. His existence is beyond space and time as we humble people can perceive it. He is all knowing and all powerful in past, present and future.

i think you should have read it more clearly.

I'd like to hear the best explanation of why an infinite regress is not possible, and preferably one that does not negate the qualities or necessity of the God in question at the same time.

How is a being that exists in no-space and no-time distinguishable from one that doesn't exist?

How do you know he exists if humans can't perceive him?

Do you realize what you said makes zero sense?