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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 3, 2014 at 7:15 am
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(October 3, 2014 at 6:14 am)Napoléon Wrote: From a legal standpoint, ofcourse piracy is "stealing". Not really, theft is covered under the criminal code whereas copyright is generally a civil matter hence not covered under the criminal code.
(October 3, 2014 at 7:03 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Well whenever you purchase a software or game, you are agreeing to how many users are allowed to use that copy as part of the license. When you make a copy of that, you are actually breaking the agreement. EULA agreements are not binding. Not in a million years.
If you buy a laptop pre-installed with Windows you probably have never and never will read the EULA.
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October 3, 2014 at 8:45 am
(October 3, 2014 at 4:50 am)jesus_wept Wrote: (October 3, 2014 at 4:38 am)Chas Wrote: The law says that is theft of intellectual property. So, there's that.
Which law?
Oh, FFS.
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October 3, 2014 at 9:22 am
That only applies to USA, the country with the most draconian copyright laws that there is. In the civilised world copyright is a civil and not a criminal matter.
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October 3, 2014 at 11:20 am
(October 3, 2014 at 8:45 am)Chas Wrote: (October 3, 2014 at 4:50 am)jesus_wept Wrote: Which law?
Oh, FFS.
I'm not American so the FBI can kiss my ass.
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October 3, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Quote:No, that is "fair use". But selling that recording is illegal because that is theft of intellectual property.
I've never paid a penny for anything I've downloaded from a Torrent site.
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October 3, 2014 at 12:48 pm
(October 3, 2014 at 11:20 am)jesus_wept Wrote: (October 3, 2014 at 8:45 am)Chas Wrote: Oh, FFS.
I'm not American so the FBI can kiss my ass.
Fine, but civilized countries have laws regarding theft of intellectual property, unlike criminal enterprises like China.
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October 3, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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(October 3, 2014 at 12:48 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 3, 2014 at 11:20 am)jesus_wept Wrote: I'm not American so the FBI can kiss my ass.
Fine, but civilized countries have laws regarding theft of intellectual property, unlike criminal enterprises like China.
Whether or not America constitutes a civilised country is a whole other argument, and certainly not one that is dependant on it's intellectual property laws.
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October 3, 2014 at 1:12 pm
(October 2, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I grew up at a time when reel to reel tape recorders were commonplace and everyone made recordings of songs that were broadcast on the radio.
Is that "piracy?" It probably was, according to the music industry when such devices were first introduced. I know that the movie industry screeched wildly about how VHS tapes were going to ruin them by allowing people to pirate movies. And no doubt people did just that, and what happened to the movie industry? It's been making more money almost every year since then.
Piracy is theft in the sense that you're enjoying the use of something you were expected to pay for. Most media industries seem to realize over time that a certain amount of loss is inevitable and that they will continue to make money hand-over-fist and so they stop being so worried about it. The primary benefit of music piracy is considerable, IMO: it completely changed the way music is sold. I simply can't imagine that if the RIAA had stamped out piracy, that I'd be able to buy only the songs I want, without some form of crippling copy-protection, for less than a dollar a song. I'd probably have to buy an "album" for $25 that I could only play on a specific device with all sorts of limitations and restrictions.
On the software front it has probably led to as much bad as good, since that market might not work the same way as the entertainment markets. More and more companies are going to cloud-based or server-side solutions that require an always-on connection in order to play or work. This is less of a problem than it may seem at first blush, but it's nothing like the freedom I enjoy with music nowadays.
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October 3, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Quote:Fine, but civilized countries have laws regarding theft of intellectual property,
Well....that is one way to look at it.
The other is that some less-than-civilized countries have governments which have been corrupted by rich corporate motherfuckers who bribe lawmakers to protect their profit margin by criminalizing things which should be civil matters.
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 3, 2014 at 2:18 pm
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(October 3, 2014 at 1:00 pm)jesus_wept Wrote: (October 3, 2014 at 12:48 pm)Chas Wrote: Fine, but civilized countries have laws regarding theft of intellectual property, unlike criminal enterprises like China.
Whether or not America constitutes a civilised country is a whole other argument, and certainly not one that is dependant on it's intellectual property laws.
It's not just the U.S.
(October 3, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Fine, but civilized countries have laws regarding theft of intellectual property,
Well....that is one way to look at it.
The other is that some less-than-civilized countries have governments which have been corrupted by rich corporate motherfuckers who bribe lawmakers to protect their profit margin by criminalizing things which should be civil matters.
Theft is a civil matter? It's criminal behavior.
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