Debunking atheists on christians not following the law of moses

[Neo-Scholastic]

Calendar.
Kinda funny that USA have sabbath (The day of rest) as the 7th day on Saturday - Jewish Tradition
While in Europe it is Sunday that is the 7th day. And Sunday according to christian tradition is when he ressurected.

Sabbath is and always has been on Saturday. Sunday is the first day of the week and is celebrated as the Lord's day, because, since the first advent, our rest is now in the Lord.

[vorlon13]

I'm not saying most US christers aren't worshipping on a sabbath.

I'm just saying they aren't worshipping on the sabbath. And there doesn't seem to be any scriptural justification for their transgression.

It just goes back to how fucked up the christers are. If they can't even manage to go to church on the right day of the week, you gotta wonder what else they are screwing up.

There wouldn't be much justification to switch the worship day except maybe one of the fucking 10 commandments.

[Chas]

I'm not saying most US christers aren't worshipping on a sabbath.

I'm just saying they aren't worshipping on the sabbath. And there doesn't seem to be any scriptural justification for their transgression.

It just goes back to how fucked up the christers are. If they can't even manage to go to church on the right day of the week, you gotta wonder what else they are screwing up.

There wouldn't be much justification to switch the worship day except maybe one of the fucking 10 commandments.

There is no the Sabbath. The calendar has been revised many times, and the start of the week is arbitrary so what day is #7 is arbitrary.

[vorlon13]

The Jews have been keeping track of days and weeks since Moses, and it is clear for the believers that Moses brought the 10 Commandments from god. Celebrating sabbath on the wrong day would have to be a major cock up in the eyes of god since there is a commandment on the subject.

I'm thinking worshipping on Sunday is actually to the glory of another god. Probably Baal, or Zeus.

[Chas]

The Jews have been keeping track of days and weeks since Moses, and it is clear for the believers that Moses brought the 10 Commandments from god. Celebrating sabbath on the wrong day would have to be a major cock up in the eyes of god since there is a commandment on the subject.

I'm thinking worshipping on Sunday is actually to the glory of another god. Probably Baal, or Zeus.

Neither the U.S. nor Europe operate on the Jewish calendar. So, there's that.


Pro tip: Moses never existed.

[RobbyPants]

The only thing that does apply is "The Ten Commandments" which is spoken humbly about in the new testament. So that is one exception.

Which ten? The Bible never lists the "ten commandments". It lists way more than that, so how do we know which we are to follow?

Heck, even Jesus doesn't know what they are. When he was asked what the first and greatest commandment is, he lists two commandments, neither or which is on any of the popularly used lists called "the Ten Commandments".

Oh yes. The classic i didn't come to destroy it. Of course not, its still there. Its just that it doesnt count. Because the old is void due to new covenant, when he died, boom. You are saved by Christ, as St.Paul was sent by Jesus. So its all there in christianity "What it teaches". Nice try though

No, see, what you have here is contradictory passages in the Bible, and you're trying to remove the contradiction. This is one of those cases where some Bible passages posit A and some posit !A. That's the principle of explosion. When something says both A and !A, you can draw any conclusion you want. You just happen to have settled on A. Nice try, though.

[Ben Davis]

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I always hear. Oh jeez, the old testament is so horrible.

Giving virgin single woman to a rapist in exchange for some fees.
Or
Stoning people. Oh no the horrors
Atheists are the ones who always likes to go into old testament and ask why dont christians follow that.
Its kinda funny seeing how ignorant atheists are. That they dont know what christians practice.
Well the fact is that christians are told not to obey the law of moses clearly in the new testament. So even if Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but fulfill it. Thats more in a past present. When he died it was fulfilled. So the law of moses is hereby numb.

Here is proof why christians dont practice animal sacrifice or any of the jewish laws handed by moses
The only thing that does apply is "The Ten Commandments" which is spoken humbly about in the new testament. So that is one exception.

So you might attack them for not following the all so lovely "Graven image" but they might wuss off it with saying "Idols". And you can also attack them for giving women rights. The new testament obviously want women to not teach in public. Oh and slavery

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 6:14.

Christians are ”dead to the law." Romans 7:4.

"If ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law" Galatians 5:18.

Christians are "delivered from the law." Romans 7:6.

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster “ [the law]. Galatians 3:24-25.

For Christians, the Law is "that which is done away." II Corinthians 3:11.

For Christians, the Law is "that which is abolished." II Corinthians 3:13.

For Christians, Jesus, on the Cross, was "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us." Colossians 2:14.

For Christians, the Law is taken "out of the way" and nailed "to his cross." Colossians 2:14.

"When God speaks of a new [covenant or agreement], He makes the first one obsolete (out of use). And what is obsolete (out of use and annulled because of age) is ripe for disappearance and to be dispensed with altogether." Hebrews 8:13, The Amplified Version

"And after that he said, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. Thus he put an end to the first in order to establish the second." Hebrews 10:9, Lamsa Translation

Source: http://www.gaychristian101.com/Christian...#placename

Read and weep

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Wrong, I'm afraid. There are many different categories of Law. According to Jewish mythology, the Messiah would fulfill the Sacrificial Law: he would create the New Covenant whereby people would be forgiven for Original Sin and freed from the automatic punishment. There are no other types of Law to be 'fulfilled'. So although the Messiah might have some new instructions from God, change or add to specific aspects of the Moral Law, the Penal law, the Dietary Law or any other type of existent law which represented how people were to behave, they would remain commands from God which must be adhered to.

Christians hold that Jesus was the Messiah, therefore fulfilling the Sacrificial Law and heralding the New Covenant. For items pertaining to the rest of Law, we need to look at what he said about each item in context; the context being the category of Law that the item in question was held at the time that Jesus was referring to it. The 'jot or tittle' passage from Matthew is regarded as referring to the Categories of non-Sacrificial Law; none of those would cease to exist. Jesus did make some changes to Moral & Penal Law (e.g. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone", "Turn the other cheek", "Judge not, lest ye be judged", "Do unto others...") however he didn't change any of the laws regarding slavery (which fall under Penal Law) neither did he make any changes to Marriage Law or Dietary Law (Christians should still avoid pork, shellfish etc.).

[Rokchan]

Calendar.
Kinda funny that USA have sabbath (The day of rest) as the 7th day on Saturday - Jewish Tradition
While in Europe it is Sunday that is the 7th day. And Sunday according to christian tradition is when he ressurected.

Sabbath is and always has been on Saturday. Sunday is the first day of the week and is celebrated as the Lord's day, because, since the first advent, our rest is now in the Lord.

Where in the bible does it say that "Sabbath" means Saturday.

Its the 7th day "The day of rest"

What day you choose depends on traditional view. For jews it is saturday. For christians... well its just put with a mixture bag with Jesus' Ressurection and the lord's day.

In Norway we have "The Roman Catholic (Ten Commandments)" in terms of Christianity. Although the majority are protestants.

The 'jot or tittle' passage from Matthew is regarded as referring to the Categories of non-Sacrificial Law; none of those would cease to exist. Jesus did make some changes to Moral & Penal Law (e.g. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone", "Turn the other cheek", "Judge not, lest ye be judged", "Do unto others...") however he didn't change any of the laws regarding slavery (which fall under Penal Law) neither did he make any changes to Marriage Law or Dietary Law (Christians should still avoid pork, shellfish etc.).

Tell that to "Paul the Apostle"

There's lots of verses that tell christians to not abide by the law of moses in the new testament by Paul, due to the new covenant.

Except for the selective "The ten commandments"

And as for Jesus.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Notice "Accomplished". When he is dead, boom you are saved by christ. This law of moses was some temporary thing to show off the pharisees. "Jesus wasn't huge fan of them" Sabbath prrr

Oh and slavery is condoned in the new testament.

[vorlon13]

Doesn't matter from the atheist perspective whether Moses existed or not. The Christers do so 'believe', and it is beholden upon them as a consequence of that belief that they follow it to the very last jot and tittle.

We've seen a steady stream of supposed christers come to AF to 'convert' us, and yet it appears each and every one of them is a blasphemer, apostate, backslider, heretic, defector, deserter, dissenter, nonconformist or renegade.

Kinda disappointing, actually, that we can note the 'beams' in the eyes of the True Believers that drop by, but they can't.

[Rokchan]

Doesn't matter from the atheist perspective whether Moses existed or not. The Christers do so 'believe', and it is beholden upon them as a consequence of that belief that they follow it to the very last jot and tittle.

We've seen a steady stream of supposed christers come to AF to 'convert' us, and yet it appears each and every one of them is a blasphemer, apostate, backslider, heretic, defector, deserter, dissenter, nonconformist or renegade.

Kinda disappointing, actually, that we can note the 'beams' in the eyes of the True Believers that drop by, but they can't.

Well christians arent jews. So that settles it

Cant say i'm much huge fan of "Judeo-Christianity". Just seems confusing to me to mix them. Which might explain "The Ten Commandments". In classrooms in USA
Edit: But everything from Genesis to Joshua is a myth. From philistines and outwards is kinda true with a few errors. As according to history.
Just wanted you to know.