Atheist simulator

[robvalue]

I thought that maybe theists wondered what it is like to be on the atheist side of debates. So I decided to simulate the experience, as best I can, to help you sympathise.

I have several proofs below. If anyone raises objections to one of them, I will restate it.

1) Something can't come from nothing. So anything that exists has always existed in some form. The universe exists, so must always have existed. Therefore God didn't create the universe.

2) The universe is everything that exists. God exists, so God is in the universe. If God created the universe, he created himself. So he didn't exist before he created himself. So he can't have created himself and doesn't exist.

3) God has all the knowledge of the universe. Therefore, there is no knowledge left for me. But I have knowledge, so there can't be a god.

4) Theism means believing there is 1 or more gods. So there could be 1, 2, 3... And so on forever. The probability of there being just one then is one in infinity. Which is zero. So there is zero chance that there is only one God, so any monotheism is wrong.

[rexbeccarox]

To add to #2: therefore we don't exist.

Mind... blown.

[Alex K]

I'm convinced!

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I thought that maybe theists wondered what it is like to be on the atheist side of debates

I doubt it. Mostly the ones we see on here are only interested in either conversion or derision.

[pgrimes15]

1) Something can't come from nothing. So anything that exists has always existed in some form. The universe exists, so must always have existed. Therefore God didn't create the universe.

Theist would resort to special pleading, uncaused cause blah blah etc

2) The universe is everything that exists. God exists, so God is in the universe. If God created the universe, he created himself. So he didn't exist before he created himself. So he can't have created himself and doesn't exist.

Theist would say God is outside space and time, defining it into existence, just as you define it into non-existence.

3) God has all the knowledge of the universe. Therefore, there is no knowledge left for me. But I have knowledge, so there can't be a god.

Err ... does knowledge work like that ? If I have knowledge about the capital city of France, doesn't mean that nobody else can have that knowledge ( it's Paris ).

4) Theism means believing there is 1 or more gods. So there could be 1, 2, 3... And so on forever. The probability of there being just one then is one in infinity. Which is zero. So there is zero chance that there is only one God, so any monotheism is wrong.

I think this is being less than rigorous with the mathematics of probability. It's saying there are either no gods or multiple gods. The same goes for Santas' reindeer.

Regards

Grimesy

[Elskidor]

I find debating with theists pointless. There is nothing they can say that will make me think they aren't deluded, and there is nothing I can say that will change their outlook.

[C4RM5]

To add to #2: therefore we don't exist.

Mind... blown.

Ugh...I really thought I existed, now what am I supposed to do?

[LastPoet]

I find debating with theists pointless. There is nothing they can say that will make me think they aren't deluded, and there is nothing I can say that will change their outlook.

In the bottom line, they think that there is an undectectable spiritual 'world', superior to our own and the only way to approach it, is by truly believe that it exists.

[Angrboda]

I don't get it. Is this a joke?

[robvalue]

I guess as usual I have been too cryptic for my own good hehe.

It's meant to be a list of progressively bad arguments for the atheist position, but I can defend them by just repeating them over and over. Then theists can see what we feel like. Not all theists argue that way, but a loooooot do. I wanted to see if any theists would like to accept that challenge and this style of debate from the other side. It seems no one does, which makes my point. Or maybe I'm just an idiot. What the hell is wrong with me? This seemed like a good idea at the time.

As it happens 1 and 2 are a little bit catchy and sound more convincing than I intended So... I win after all!

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Although these are not sound arguments, I do like 1 because it turns the "something can't come from nothing" back on the theist as its one of their standard baseless assumptions.