Sexodus?!?

[pocaracas]

I was a substitute teacher for about 3 weeks, before I nearly had a breakdown and had to quit. The kids were evil, really ferociously horrid. They had no idea how to behave, no respect for anyone.

WOW!!!
3 weeks?!
Imagine what permanent teachers have to go through?
Or could it be that they were particularly nasty knowing you were "just a temp"?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Interesting stuff, worth the read.

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I think that the article is way overblown, but there's bits of truth in it. Over-prescription of Ritalin is rampant. I volunteered in classrooms when my girls were in elementary school and saw many boys on Ritalin who I would consider just normal boys. And the multi-activity teaching style wasn't very conducive to helping kids concentrate either.

At the high school level, sex ed here is very explicit. I'm pretty sure my girls have a better theoretical knowledge of sex than their grandmothers. And that education includes much worry about sexual violence or even just peer pressure to have sex. The male is always portrayed as the assailant. The classes include role-playing attempts to get kisses or more and it's the girls' job to say no. Isn't that lovely, the boys get to be turned down after being instructed to ask?

College entrance (we are in the midst of that process) is more mixed. Girls now make up a slight majority in the liberal arts in colleges and selective colleges are looking for boys interested in English and History. But the STEM programs just drool over girls with the desire and aptitude to study in the sciences. My younger girl isn't a junior yet and she's already getting college recruitment mail, for that very reason.

We've got a board full of guys in their 20s and 30s here. Is it that awful?

In the UK academic sector we have a thing called 'Athena Swann' which actively promotes & rewards the employing of women in science I know this first hand because my fiancé is one of those women, but she also happens to be a bad-ass at microbiologyso go figure.

Her lab is almost exclusively female now. I can think of 6 men out of 30 staff who are male. Naturally they've won an award from Athena Swann at her University for all the women they employ. I've always thought of positive discrimination as still discrimination, but there you go.

[pocaracas]

I can think of 6 men out of 30 staff who are male.

huh?

[Jenny A]

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I think that the article is way overblown, but there's bits of truth in it. Over-prescription of Ritalin is rampant. I volunteered in classrooms when my girls were in elementary school and saw many boys on Ritalin who I would consider just normal boys. And the multi-activity teaching style wasn't very conducive to helping kids concentrate either.

At the high school level, sex ed here is very explicit. I'm pretty sure my girls have a better theoretical knowledge of sex than their grandmothers. And that education includes much worry about sexual violence or even just peer pressure to have sex. The male is always portrayed as the assailant. The classes include role-playing attempts to get kisses or more and it's the girls' job to say no. Isn't that lovely, the boys get to be turned down after being instructed to ask?

College entrance (we are in the midst of that process) is more mixed. Girls now make up a slight majority in the liberal arts in colleges and selective colleges are looking for boys interested in English and History. But the STEM programs just drool over girls with the desire and aptitude to study in the sciences. My younger girl isn't a junior yet and she's already getting college recruitment mail, for that very reason.

We've got a board full of guys in their 20s and 30s here. Is it that awful?

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In the UK academic sector we have a thing called 'Athena Swann' which actively promotes & rewards the employing of women in science I know this first hand because my fiancé is one of those women, but she also happens to be a bad-ass at microbiologyso go figure.

Her lab is almost exclusively female now. I can think of 6 men out of 30 staff who are male. Naturally they've won an award from Athena Swann at her University for all the women they employ. I've always thought of positive discrimination as still discrimination, but there you go.

Well, so you always thought right then. Positive discrimination is still discrimination. And if the results are 6/30 in favor of positive discrimination, it doesn't look very positive to me. Ugly would be the word I'd use.

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I was a substitute teacher for about 3 weeks, before I nearly had a breakdown and had to quit. The kids were evil, really ferociously horrid. They had no idea how to behave, no respect for anyone.

WOW!!!
3 weeks?!
Imagine what permanent teachers have to go through?
Or could it be that they were particularly nasty knowing you were "just a temp"?

Interesting. I didn't find aiding to be that bad. I taught great books twice weekly to a portion of the class for a few years, and I did a fair amount of one-on-one math, reading, and spelling work. I saw less disciplined classes in some ways like noise level, but more rather than less sensitivity to each other than I remembered growing up.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I can think of 6 men out of 30 staff who are male.

huh?

Haha. I lol'd

[Dystopia]

Yes blame it on feminists and completely forget how much male privileged you are. I'm a male and there is nothing wrong in admitting I have privilege, and female privileges are actually insignificant compared to the ones I've got. The vast majority of feminists are rational people who simply want gender equality, most of them are against chivalry and DON'T want female privilege (like males feeling obligated to pay dinner just to give you an example), they just want legal, social and ethical gender equality, nothing else, nothing more. Feminazis are a really small minority but unfortunately sites like 9gag and reddit are filled with angry males (nice guys) who think feminism is threatening their lives because their females friends said something like 'I don't owe you sex for opening the door for me'.

You don't like feminists? How can you blame them? Just check out these facts?
- Women are more likely to be raped, suffer domestic violence and sexual abuse. Rapists are not sentenced and get away with it many times - It's not about harsher sentences, but the mere fact most rapists never get caught.. Although some men say domestic violence exists against males it is nowhere as serious and it doesn't excuse domestic violence against females, it's not a fucking competition. Not to mention judges consider rapists less guilty by certain factors like "a very large sexual desire" or "being slightly drunk". Rape statistics that say false rape accusations are very predominant are a scam, they are as serious as false accusations for other crimes
- Talking about rape, let's not forget victim blaming and excusing rapists (what feminists call "rape culture) - "Oh she was wearing a short dress, she was asking for it"/"She was drunk, what was she expecting"/"Men will be men we have sexual desires". Do you really think men are genetically born with an uncontrollable rape desire? Of course not, it's social sexual entitlement to women's bodies and the feeling of power that makes men rape. If "men will be men", why have I (a male) never catcalled or sexually abused any woman? Perhaps because I'm not an animal and I control myself, and so do others. Instead of teaching women to avoid getting raped, teach people who rape to not rape.
- Slut shaming - Done by men, by women, by all society, everyone will judge you by the way you dress, dear ladies, and if you dress something short, not only will you hear people saying "I'd bang that/Hey sweetie nice boobs" but also "You dressed like a slut, you should expect to be treated as one".
- Catcalling and street harassment - Affects mostly females because males think of them as sex objects, public property to be looked and commented as if you had any business to comment on how good or bad a stranger looks - I was taught from the beginning that it's rude and a lack of courtesy to comment strangers, men or women, so don't do it. It's not "men will be men", it's common courtesy - If I don't do it, will would you? It's none of our business, just because a woman dresses in a certain way you have no right to comment like she was public property to be starred at and please you - Have you ever wondered if the person suffered sexual assault and how frightening it may feel to be catcalled?
- Male sexual entitlement - From childhood, we are subconsciously taught that men should be dominant and "manly", all that bullshit and that women should be feminine and submissive, wait for the charming prince and let him protect her. This hurts both sexes to the point when a male being raped is considered a reason to joke and males are laughed at for being sexually assaulted, because that's not a manly thing, getting pounded in the ass is "gay" and all that and real males should "go after pussy".
- Media - I have nothing against the sex industry, I love many kinds of porn, I have nothing against prostitutes, it's everyone's freedom to work in the industry, but please stop the abuse of female prostitutes and female porn actresses - Oh and make porn a little more about mutual pleasure, mainstream porn has started to bore me since I started having real sex and saw how unrealistic it was. Many film studios still have problem making female characters in movies and TV series that are not all about boobs and ass - I have no problem with boobs and ass, but some fair representation with deep female characters would be great (there already is some, but there's still a long way to go), and the same applies to videogames and other forms of media, art and entertainment. Again, nothing against modelling, prostitution or using your body to provide a service, but when comparing male pictures and movies with females, we see that males are portrayed (even models) as strong with lots of muscles and in a body posture that resembles manliness, while females are put in a position to resemble submission and a part of the body (boobs and ass usually) is highlighted because that's the important - It's called sexual objectification, look it up. I am lucky that as a male my gender is highly represented in all forms of media respectfully and I'm not included in any movie merely because "I have a nice body" and I make a nice souvenir, male characters are deep and complex, not shallow and poorly designed/created (this doesn't apply to all female portrayals the media makes, some are very good and remarkable - For example I enjoy Debra from the "Dexter" series, she isn't overly sexualized and had good character development)
- Wage gap is not merely a myth - It's true that females pick less well payed areas (like primary school education) - But have you every wondered why? Why so few women want to be politicians, neurologists (more well paid than pediatricians), engineers and architects? Why do women go for less paid courses? Because they are genetically connected to them? Of course not, that's silly, it's because they don't want to go for a male dominated field, because they've grown up seeing subconsciously those higher paying jobs as "Men's jobs", either because that's what parents told them or because most females go for other areas and that's "a more feminine job to have", many high paying jobs are seen as male oriented and females don't feel like going for them, when they could have gone. From childhood they are taught indirectly that these jobs are "Man stuff" and "women should stay out of politics because they let their emotions take the best of them". I'm not even going to mention that in male oriented fields employers are more likely to choose a male character simply because he is male (with the same qualifications) and sexual harassment in the workplace that targets mostly women. By the way, if the wage gap is a myth, why do latinas and black women (or other women of colour) earn on average less than white women)
- War kills men (Soldiers) - But let's not forget that war is almost always started by male politicians. When women are in a warzone, what do you think happens to them? They are raped, beaten and sold to sexual slavery by enemy soldiers, war doesn't affect males only as some people might want you to think
- The female privileges are offensive to women because all of them (like a man feeling obligated to support her) are based on the assumption that women are weaker and need protection. I've quit chivalry and decided to be polite to everyone around me, not only my girlfriend, and the reason that motivates me should be the same - I want to be a good role model as a citizen. The reason why I pay dinner for her more often is because I literally have more financial wealth than her, otherwise she would pay more than me

I'm sorry by the angry rant, but it's childish to let these issues go away when I'm a male and have been privileged my whole life compared to my fellow females. So - Do you really think feminists are the problem? Or perhaps the problem is society - Both male and females contribute to our problems (female contribute to sexism too, just see the case of women slut shaming others and female rivalry and hate)

When I realized all of this, I noticed how I was used to gender privilege to the point when I considered "sexism" to be normal and thought feminists were all angry "bitches". I have never been so wrong.

The point is, let's not blame it on women and label all feminists as feminazis when most of them are clearly not, in fact they are quite the opposite, as I said they want to erase female benefits too. Stop whining and do something.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Another reason parenting is so bad in my opinion is the ability of technology to keep your kid quiet. I think parents are allowing their children to stare at a screen all day from a very early age because it's the path of least resistance. But then they are not learning good social skills, are being educated more by online rubbish than their parents, and the parents often have no idea what they are viewing.

Ignorance is not an excuse, parents. If your kid is spending 8 hours a day on the internet, it's about time you took a class in it and understood what it was. (I'm not aiming that at parents on this board, you all seem like very sensible people. Plus, like, you're on the internet )

Hear, hear. When my son was younger, we certainly taught him about the Internet, but his time online was restricted, and monitored, and I made sure to leaven it with outdoor, physical activites -- hiking, cycling, and so on. He played Pop Warner football, too.

He's 17 now, is in a relationship with a nice gal for almost a year, pulling As and Bs in a magnet school that is in the top 500 high schools in America (there are 18,000 of them), and makes his parents proud.

[Bad Wolf]

I just skimmed through your rant because I couldn't really be bothered to read it all. And just to let you know, I didn't write this article and I haven't actually offered an opinion about any of its contents, so....calm down.

However, this little gem caught my eye:

Instead of teaching women to avoid getting raped, teach people who rape to not rape.

This is by far, the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And it's the crazy bad feminists that say this. 'Don't teach women not to get raped! Teach men not to rape!'

Guess what other things we've told people not to do:
Murder
Steal
Lie
Do drugs etc

Do you get my point? They happen regardless of the laws and regardless of what is acceptable. If you honestly believe this, then you are just creating a culture of victim hood, where there is no responsibility taken at all and everything is everyone elses fault. Now don't get me wrong and blow up and scream about how i'm victim blaming, because i'm not. Some cases of rape are unavoidalbe and nothing can be done. But just like having my house burgled, you would be a tad less sympathetic towards me if I had left the house with all the doors and windows open. But I guess you want me to say 'Don't tell me how to look after my house, tell the thevies to stop stealing!' And in principle you would be right, what a wonderful world it would be if everyone just got along. But we don't, so until we reach a utopian state of civilization, your war cry will continue to be ridiculous.

[DeistPaladin]

This is by far, the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And it's the crazy bad feminists that say this. 'Don't teach women not to get raped! Teach men not to rape!'

Guess what other things we've told people not to do:
Murder
Steal
Lie
Do drugs etc

Do you get my point? They happen regardless of the laws and regardless of what is acceptable.

I understand what you're saying but I don't think that's the point of "teach men not to rape".

First of all, just consider what would happen to the rate of robbery if people thought it was acceptable to steal under certain conditions. Sure good people would never steal and bad people would still do so but what about those on the borderline? Society can make certain crimes easier to rationalize away and therefore cause it to go up.

Consider this scenario:
A clearly beaten guy stumbles into a police station. Two female cops are present to get his story.

"Some bitch clubbed me and stole my wallet!"
"Well, whatdaya expect?" the two female cops agree, "After all, you in that Armani suit. You're dressed so expensively."

It's fair to say that this hypothetical society would see a higher rate of robbery, wouldn't you agree?

Our society has gotten better about understanding that rape isn't "provoked" but we still have work to do.

Second, rape isn't like some of these other crimes you mention. In all examples you provided, I can think of some examples where the crime would be, if not justifiable, understandable. A mother who steals bread to feed her starving family is very much different from an executive who embezzles from his employee's retirement account. A father who murders the molester of his child might be wrong to take the law into his own hands but I understand. James Randy once related a story where he lied to his dying father telling him that he'd accepted Jesus and would see him in Heaven, thus allowing a man to die in a happier state. Drugs are also quite acceptable for a dying person in pain.

In all of these examples, I can think of circumstances that would lead an otherwise good person to commit them. I can even think of examples where the crime might be justifiable. I can think of no circumstances where rape would be justified. It's rather unique among crimes that way.

[Nope]

I am slowly making my way through the article but I wanted to comment on the sentence in the first part of the article. Unfortunately, I can't copy and paste so I am going to summarize the quote. It was the one that stated women no longer believe in monogamy so men don't find them interesting to start a relationship with because they might end up stuck caring for someone else's child.

We don't really know if our foremothers were any less faithful to their husbands then the current generation of young women. It would make better sense to trace your maternal line because you can't be one hundred percent certain that any male in your family tree is actually your real ancestor but you can be fairly certain of the female lineage.

Eons ago when I was younger, it was not uncommon to hear that young men needed to sow their wild oats before settling down. Because of birth control, young women are now able to play the field too. When you remove societal stigma against women being shamed about having sex, there is no reason for a woman to be any less sexually active then a man.

As far as taking care of another man's child, I admit, that men get a raw deal in that department. Hopefully, they will invent a safe way for men to avoid impregnating someone other then condoms but I guess that is a different subject altogether