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Garden of Eden was a setup...
RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
(December 9, 2014 at 8:58 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote:
(December 9, 2014 at 6:00 pm)dyresand Wrote: entropy

you are your own system (your body)...while the environment around you is another and the object you touch is yet another.

When you touch that object, you are changing your entropy when you made contact.

Of course your body is warm and works at a certain body temp and any deviation from it will be felt by your nerves in your fingers, because they operate at an optimal 36.X degrees Celsius or so.

So is entropy the transfer of heat from my body to the object I touch?
Or is it a measure of heat that remains within my body after I touch the object?

all your doing is passing heat from yourself to a object.

Definition of ENTROPY

1
: a measure of the unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system that is also usually considered to be a measure of the system's disorder, that is a property of the system's state, and that varies directly with any reversible change in heat in the system and inversely with the temperature of the system; broadly : the degree of disorder or uncertainty in a system
2
a : the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity
b : a process of degradation or running down or a trend to disorder
3
: chaos, disorganization, randomness

i hope this clears things up for you.
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
(December 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote:
(December 9, 2014 at 7:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: Cold - The direction toward which heat flows.

Can you please elaborate using an example and if possible quantify (or not)?
I think we all might learn or have our knowledge tested here...I'm totally digging this.

The molecules of an object (A) vibrate generating infrared radiation. If another object (B) with higher vibrations (therefore generating more infrared radiation) is compared, object (A) is cold relative to object (B), whereas Object (B) is warm relative to object (A). The infrared radiation will be exchanged between the two toward equilibrium until they are the same temperature. If they touch, the vibrations will also exchange toward equilibrium, until they are the same temperature.

High school physics for most or in my case, middle school (5-8) physics.
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
(December 9, 2014 at 5:41 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: I asked IATIA the following question and this may take a few days to get thru because I'm back to work from my holliday, so not a lot of time.
I would appreciate your input as well

Forgive my ignorance and enlighten me; can you please define each one of those, one at a time.
Please don't move on to the next till I fully grasp the first one were going to tackle.

Lets start with COLD; how would you define COLD?
Let me thank you in advance for your patience.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...glish/cold

You'll notice the absence of the word "heat", or any reference to it, in that definition.

Now, answer my question: Who created everything, according to your faith? Who created viruses? Who created cancer? Who created evil?

You seem embarrassed to answer this. I wonder why that is?

My guess is that because you worship the guy who created evil.

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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
(December 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote:
(December 9, 2014 at 7:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: Cold - The direction toward which heat flows.

Can you please elaborate using an example and if possible quantify (or not)?
I think we all might learn or have our knowledge tested here...I'm totally digging this.

(December 9, 2014 at 6:13 pm)dyresand Wrote: the fact is nothing is true evil nothing is true good. so there is no such thing as good or evil just different opinions.

So are you saying that Hitler killing all those Jews was not evil, but just a matter of preference, based on his opinion?

What's the fallacy called when Hitler is brought into the conversation?

Hitler was doing what other Christians before him had been doing to the Jews for over a thousand years.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
(December 9, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(December 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: Can you please elaborate using an example and if possible quantify (or not)?
I think we all might learn or have our knowledge tested here...I'm totally digging this.


So are you saying that Hitler killing all those Jews was not evil, but just a matter of preference, based on his opinion?

What's the fallacy called when Hitler is brought into the conversation?

Hitler was doing what other Christians before him had been doing to the Jews for over a thousand years.

Pretty much Hitler was and forever will be the post modern day christian crusader. Except he didn't use a sword he used machine guns rocket launchers tanks planes etc.
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
I think it's called the Hitler fallacy :p

God created everything, he decided that evil exists, however you define it. He didn't have to. If he did have to, he's not as powerful as people seem to think.

Where do all these obstacles and restrictions God has to keep working around come from?
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
(December 9, 2014 at 9:50 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(December 9, 2014 at 5:41 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: I asked IATIA the following question and this may take a few days to get thru because I'm back to work from my holliday, so not a lot of time.
I would appreciate your input as well

Forgive my ignorance and enlighten me; can you please define each one of those, one at a time.
Please don't move on to the next till I fully grasp the first one were going to tackle.

Lets start with COLD; how would you define COLD?
Let me thank you in advance for your patience.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...glish/cold

You'll notice the absence of the word "heat", or any reference to it, in that definition.

Now, answer my question: Who created everything, according to your faith? Who created viruses? Who created cancer? Who created evil?

You seem embarrassed to answer this. I wonder why that is?

My guess is that because you worship the guy who created evil.

I'm working up to it; I'm still trying to get the definition of COLD nailed down first. I'd like to work through each on first.
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
I think avoiding very simple questions is a sign you are working towards a rationalisation or logical fallacy. Not trying to be mean, but that is my experience almost all the time when this happens.

You seem to be ignoring what I say anyway, so maybe but I'm blocked. But if not, I do want to say that you seem to be willing to think things through a bit, and for that I give encouragement.
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
(December 9, 2014 at 9:23 pm)dyresand Wrote:
(December 9, 2014 at 8:58 pm)ChristIsLord Wrote: So is entropy the transfer of heat from my body to the object I touch?
Or is it a measure of heat that remains within my body after I touch the object?

all your doing is passing heat from yourself to a object.

Definition of ENTROPY

1
: a measure of the unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system that is also usually considered to be a measure of the system's disorder, that is a property of the system's state, and that varies directly with any reversible change in heat in the system and inversely with the temperature of the system; broadly : the degree of disorder or uncertainty in a system
2
a : the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity
b : a process of degradation or running down or a trend to disorder
3
: chaos, disorganization, randomness

i hope this clears things up for you.

It does clear up the definition of entropy, but now how does COLD = Entropy?
So in keeping with the concept of thermal energy, it sounds like Entropy is that point where a system reaches a thermal equilibrium at which it ceases to release or give up anymore of its thermal energy (heat), right?
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RE: Garden of Eden was a setup...
It was when I said God was in my house, wasn't it. I knew no one would believe me. I must be a nutter. What a stupid claim to make, that can't be proved wrong. I deserve blocking, and a good spanking. And cash.
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